This is such an inherently American perspective, that kids are just an inconvenience and aren’t allowed to participate in society because it bothers me.
They’re not going to learn how to behave if you don’t get them out into society. We all need to be a little patient as they learn. Most of us were allowed to learn in public, it wasn’t like our parents sat us down and explained the rules and had us do a test before we went out.
And before somebody throws out the caricature of the parent just letting their kid run wild, yes of course that happens. But most parents don’t want that and are trying their best. No, they can’t make their infant stop crying every time. Get over it. It’s just some noise.
France is always held up as an example of how remarkable kids can behave. I really wish I could remember which book I read about it in, but they talked about how there is a very strong tendency in France to bring kids out to dinner at a very young age and frequently. It is baked into their culture, so the kids learn earlier and faster. Throughout this process people are generally not complaining and shooting mean glances or talking shit about the parents teaching their kids.
Kids are a part your community, they should be allowed to participate.
Edit: man some of you really don’t like kids or parents.
And before somebody throws out the caricature of the parent just letting their kid run wild, yes of course that happens. But most parents don’t want that and are trying their best
The examples you’ve dismissed are what this entire conversation is about. You’ve dismissed the entire issue, which makes your input meaningless.
Looking at this again - if the parents are the problem and explicitly not the kids, why is this post about the kid getting hurt and the adults laughing with glee?
So most kids that annoy you in public are the result of shitty parenting? Did you even read what I wrote?
I can’t stand breeders and all that bullshit going on right now, but Anti-Natalism is getting way too popular and subtly permeating too many people’s opinions on kids. They’re just kids. Let them be kids, just like you were allowed to be.
I think both of you are talking about extremes here lol.
One person is talking about shitty parents that refuse to correct their kids and the other about people that hate kids in general. Both can be true and annoying.
I do agree there are some completely unhinged people/comments in the comments section here…
I am not being extreme at all. I’m saying words like “most” very intentionally.
Posts like this aren’t about whether or not people think literally everyone or no one does something. It simply contributes to a culture of “kids annoy me and should be invisible.”
I’m talking about the op, picturing kids running around being a nuisance to the whole restaurant, which if the parents don’t do something about it then yes, shitty parenting
The entire point is what you consider “annoying” I consider “being a fucking kid.” And for some reason many Americans are so self involved and focused on “muh rights” they can’t even tell the difference.
You literally know nothing about me outside of a few sentences and that is an incredibly rude thing to say. It’s baffling to me how quickly people throw that accusation out at people.
I get you don’t like my opinion but you don’t need to be cruel about it.
You’re making some broad assumptions. They don’t have to be silent, but a restaurant isn’t the place to be running around getting in servers way and disrupting other tables, and parents who let their kids do that lack discipline and are encouraging anti social behaviour
Yes, kids that run around and can’t be quiet should be at my candlelit restaurant, at a bar where drunk people are lurching around, at a rowdy concert, unrestrained at an axe throwing place, and especially at a music/theater performance, or a funeral/religious service where their parents refuse to parent them…
I’m sorry, what bars are you going to you where kids are running around? That’s literally illegal in many countries. Definitely in the US.
Candle lit dinners? That is absurd. If you’ve seen that, it’s an outlier. Or it just sounds like “something that definitely happens.“
I call bullshit aside from the ax throwing because that is very specific. And I already acknowledged that there are parents out there who let kids run wild. But to apply that to all parents? That’s just anti-natalist nonsense seeping into your talking points
I want you to show me that nuance in the post above. Because what I see is “isn’t it hilarious when kids hurt themselves? That’s what they get for annoying me.”
They need to be taught how to behave. And they’re only going to learn by being out in the world and making little mistakes here and there. Just get the fuck over it. They are a part of your community, and there are plenty of people in our community that are inconvenient to have around. But we don’t treat them with the same disdain (Unless you’re a republican)
Does America not have “Family Friendly” restaraunts at all? Like not “Chuck E Cheese” but casual dining for families with outdoor playgrounds or an indoor play room?
My friends and I go out EVERY SATURDAY and 6 kids in total and they know the rules "Cause a ruckus out there on the other side of the heavy windows where I can supervise but still hold a grown up conversation.
I didnt mean it like that, I legitimately dont know. I know Chuck e cheese is a thing (great play area, terrible food) high end restaurants are obviously a thing, as is family casual like TGI Fridays and chain places, but do they have playgrounds?
Its a stupidly common thing in Australia. The food is (usually) a solid 6 or 7, sometimes an 8, the bar is pretty well stocked and the play area is like an average public park. Easiest way to explain it is like a TINY casino, theres usually some function rooms, a small (or overwhelmingly large if its a predatory shithole) area with slot machines, and a restaraunt (sometimes a few) and a play area.
If I wanted to go out to eat and had to choose between Chuck E Cheese and a restaraunt where I have to spend the whole night managing my childs behavior to not upset others and those were my ONLY options without the ball ache of organising and paying babysitters. I probably wouldnt go out.
I don’t want to exclusively go to chuck-e-cheese’s and pizza shops for 10 years. That’s not unreasonable.
You may have not meant it like that, but I don’t think you realize how much you are expecting everyone with kids to compromise so you won’t ever be annoyed or inconvenienced.
Wow you went from valid even if I disagree to total dick in minutes. Congrats.
Yes I did read it. You seriously think I should agree with the idea of just not going out? I actually had to respond to that specifically? That sounded off handed and, frankly, so ridiculous it wasn’t worth responding to.
Get over yourself. In fact, go fuck yourself. Feel free to have the last word, I’m sure it’s very important to you.
Kids are people. There are some annoying, there are some nice, overall they’re okay. If a person wouldn’t say “I laugh when adults get hurt because adults annoy me just by being adults”, then they shouldn’t say the same about kids.
I’m curious what consequences the “adults” got. Cause this really seems like something made up. But then again I remember when I was a kid and how inappropriate the adults behavior was. My bad, nevermind the beginning of this comment.
I feel the same when adults are talking the most disgusting shit around me in public. They don’t get the hate kids do, though.
Yeah, obnoxious people in public suck no matter their age
This is such an inherently American perspective, that kids are just an inconvenience and aren’t allowed to participate in society because it bothers me.
They’re not going to learn how to behave if you don’t get them out into society. We all need to be a little patient as they learn. Most of us were allowed to learn in public, it wasn’t like our parents sat us down and explained the rules and had us do a test before we went out.
And before somebody throws out the caricature of the parent just letting their kid run wild, yes of course that happens. But most parents don’t want that and are trying their best. No, they can’t make their infant stop crying every time. Get over it. It’s just some noise.
France is always held up as an example of how remarkable kids can behave. I really wish I could remember which book I read about it in, but they talked about how there is a very strong tendency in France to bring kids out to dinner at a very young age and frequently. It is baked into their culture, so the kids learn earlier and faster. Throughout this process people are generally not complaining and shooting mean glances or talking shit about the parents teaching their kids.
Kids are a part your community, they should be allowed to participate.
Edit: man some of you really don’t like kids or parents.
The examples you’ve dismissed are what this entire conversation is about. You’ve dismissed the entire issue, which makes your input meaningless.
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The kids aren’t the issue here, the shitty parents are
Looking at this again - if the parents are the problem and explicitly not the kids, why is this post about the kid getting hurt and the adults laughing with glee?
So most kids that annoy you in public are the result of shitty parenting? Did you even read what I wrote?
I can’t stand breeders and all that bullshit going on right now, but Anti-Natalism is getting way too popular and subtly permeating too many people’s opinions on kids. They’re just kids. Let them be kids, just like you were allowed to be.
I think both of you are talking about extremes here lol.
One person is talking about shitty parents that refuse to correct their kids and the other about people that hate kids in general. Both can be true and annoying.
I do agree there are some completely unhinged people/comments in the comments section here…
I am not being extreme at all. I’m saying words like “most” very intentionally.
Posts like this aren’t about whether or not people think literally everyone or no one does something. It simply contributes to a culture of “kids annoy me and should be invisible.”
I’m talking about the op, picturing kids running around being a nuisance to the whole restaurant, which if the parents don’t do something about it then yes, shitty parenting
The entire point is what you consider “annoying” I consider “being a fucking kid.” And for some reason many Americans are so self involved and focused on “muh rights” they can’t even tell the difference.
Shitty parent detected
You literally know nothing about me outside of a few sentences and that is an incredibly rude thing to say. It’s baffling to me how quickly people throw that accusation out at people.
I get you don’t like my opinion but you don’t need to be cruel about it.
You’re making some broad assumptions. They don’t have to be silent, but a restaurant isn’t the place to be running around getting in servers way and disrupting other tables, and parents who let their kids do that lack discipline and are encouraging anti social behaviour
No assumptions. Just responding to the words you are using.
Yes, kids that run around and can’t be quiet should be at my candlelit restaurant, at a bar where drunk people are lurching around, at a rowdy concert, unrestrained at an axe throwing place, and especially at a music/theater performance, or a funeral/religious service where their parents refuse to parent them…
I’m sorry, what bars are you going to you where kids are running around? That’s literally illegal in many countries. Definitely in the US.
Candle lit dinners? That is absurd. If you’ve seen that, it’s an outlier. Or it just sounds like “something that definitely happens.“
I call bullshit aside from the ax throwing because that is very specific. And I already acknowledged that there are parents out there who let kids run wild. But to apply that to all parents? That’s just anti-natalist nonsense seeping into your talking points
The point here is that people don’t want no kids at all, just no mini-terrorists running amok.
I want you to show me that nuance in the post above. Because what I see is “isn’t it hilarious when kids hurt themselves? That’s what they get for annoying me.”
They need to be taught how to behave. And they’re only going to learn by being out in the world and making little mistakes here and there. Just get the fuck over it. They are a part of your community, and there are plenty of people in our community that are inconvenient to have around. But we don’t treat them with the same disdain (Unless you’re a republican)
You can tell by how the words say exactly what they mean
Are you actually trying to have a discussion or are you here to grind an axe/be an ass?
I suppose we should ask you the same question. You’re reading something personal into other people’s words.
Does America not have “Family Friendly” restaraunts at all? Like not “Chuck E Cheese” but casual dining for families with outdoor playgrounds or an indoor play room?
My friends and I go out EVERY SATURDAY and 6 kids in total and they know the rules "Cause a ruckus out there on the other side of the heavy windows where I can supervise but still hold a grown up conversation.
Does your country not have bars and other adult-only spaces?
I didnt mean it like that, I legitimately dont know. I know Chuck e cheese is a thing (great play area, terrible food) high end restaurants are obviously a thing, as is family casual like TGI Fridays and chain places, but do they have playgrounds?
Its a stupidly common thing in Australia. The food is (usually) a solid 6 or 7, sometimes an 8, the bar is pretty well stocked and the play area is like an average public park. Easiest way to explain it is like a TINY casino, theres usually some function rooms, a small (or overwhelmingly large if its a predatory shithole) area with slot machines, and a restaraunt (sometimes a few) and a play area.
If I wanted to go out to eat and had to choose between Chuck E Cheese and a restaraunt where I have to spend the whole night managing my childs behavior to not upset others and those were my ONLY options without the ball ache of organising and paying babysitters. I probably wouldnt go out.
I don’t want to exclusively go to chuck-e-cheese’s and pizza shops for 10 years. That’s not unreasonable.
You may have not meant it like that, but I don’t think you realize how much you are expecting everyone with kids to compromise so you won’t ever be annoyed or inconvenienced.
Can you read or nah?
Wow you went from valid even if I disagree to total dick in minutes. Congrats.
Yes I did read it. You seriously think I should agree with the idea of just not going out? I actually had to respond to that specifically? That sounded off handed and, frankly, so ridiculous it wasn’t worth responding to.
Get over yourself. In fact, go fuck yourself. Feel free to have the last word, I’m sure it’s very important to you.
Kids are people. There are some annoying, there are some nice, overall they’re okay. If a person wouldn’t say “I laugh when adults get hurt because adults annoy me just by being adults”, then they shouldn’t say the same about kids.
In short, I hate people who hate kids.
I’m curious what consequences the “adults” got. Cause this really seems like something made up. But then again I remember when I was a kid and how inappropriate the adults behavior was. My bad, nevermind the beginning of this comment.
I misread that as “taking” and it seemed like a very specific complaint to make here.
Well, it has happened before, too.
I would imagine how justified your annoyance would be would depend on where in the restaurant it happened, heh.