@Rentlar@lemmy.ca Ahh, yeah, on Lemmy it is the reversed, you get far too much content from the highly active groups, drowing everything else.

On the microblogging side, that’s the thing, the “Local” / “For You” feed was just meant to see what’s going on. On platforms without an algorithm, it shows everything. But on platforms like Threads, it controls it (but still, if there is barely any data the algorithm can work on, it’s as good as not having any algorithm). So in the end, it goes back to being an end-user effort (or issue) why they see what they don’t want to see, and don’t find what they want to consume.

For platforms with an algorithm, they have to help the algorithm by providing it data. They need to like, follow, comment, on content they like to see more, instead of randomly interacting. If they don’t change their method, the data will be built upon their random liking/commenting, and then complain about it.

For platforms without an algorithm, if they kept on following accounts that talks about tech, of course most of what they’ll see are tech. Hence the complaints about “the Fediverse is for developers only” or “the Fediverse is all about politics”.

Some claim the Fediverse lack moderation tools, yet, people complain about the same things over in The ATmosphere network. How they kept seeing politics or tech mumbo jumbo.

So, at the end of the day, it’s an end-user effort/issue. The platform developers can only provide so much assistance and tools, but if the end-user doesn’t grow their “observable network” properly, then it won’t work for them regardless which platform they use.

The “Local”/“For You” feed is just for finding new content, for expanding our network. And yes, if some groups or topics are filling this feed, the server admins should have tools to throttle certain groups or topics, so as not to defeat it’s purpose as a discovery tool. Otherwise, what you shared will indeed happen. (And I guess this is where an algorithm works best, like how it is in Threads (if there is enough data of course).)

@liaizon@wake.st Yep! I will. Thank you for collecting them!I together! We need it.

(P.s. I suddenly recalled there was an idea about creating mascots. And reminded me of my private list of emojis for each software, LOL.)

@Rentlar@lemmy.ca Do you have an example?

Many argued during Twitter Migration 2.0 that algorithms are important in content discovery. However, in #Threads where there is an algorithm, people still complain how they are seeing things they don’t want to see, and not discovering content that they like, and Threads also have a “Not interested” feature on top of the algorithm.

There are also people complaining about the exact same thing about The #ATmosphere network even though they were provided with a lot of moderation and discovery features than most other SNS.

If people are complaining for the same reasons in any of these networks and platforms, is it not because the user is growing their network incorrectly and/or randomly, or lack of it? Because algorithm or not, moderation and discovery tools or not, it’s the same complaints.

@vk6flab@lemmy.radio That’s a very good question! Sadly, I haven’t received the update on Android yet. T_T

Good thing you mentioned it, I’ll pay attention to that once I get the latest beta update from our region.

@BeAware@social.beaware.live At first, it’s expected. However, we have to try. If it won’t fly, then it means, at least as far as the “Decentralized, Distributed, Federated, Open, Network” ( #DDFON ) space is concerned, they don’t care if the “migrants” redefine things.

It happened before… #Web3 was, and still is, about the #OpenSocialWeb but it was hijacked by #cryptocurrency people. And to solidify their control over what “Web3” means, these same people campaigned that OpenSocialWeb is actually Web3.0 (with the point-0 included). And voila, we lost control over “Web3”.

It’s happening again, with the term “Fediverse” this time. Ironically, some who were being lumped under the “Fediverse” terminology are resisting (like #NOSTR and #ATproto, they prefer to use #NOSTRich and #ATmosphere respectively).

But, again, like I said introducing a new term has its positives, like in the example I mentioned re: “Baybayin” vs “Surat”/“Suyat”. The latter became the commonly accepted umbrella term instead of the former.

It’s all about the community. Remember, just a few years ago, the discussion about replacing the term “fediverse” were so common. Yet, when people suggested replacements, no one supported any. It was all complaints, and those who took steps eventually gave up.

Maybe I will give up one day. Or, maybe not.

LOL. “DDFON”, I’ve been using that since, I think 2012/2013? And it was only a year or two ago that someone said they like it better than all the other “proposals”. :p

@BeAware@social.beaware.live It does… but sometimes we have to, especially in this case when there are some attempts to redefine the word “fediverse” adding even more confusion to it.

We either have to create a new term and arrange everything in order, or let things be more confusing for the newbies (and media for that matter).

It’s similar to the native writing script of the Philippines called “Baybayin”. Because of a certain group of people successfully redefined the meaning of “Baybayin”, it became very confusing as an umbrella label, and even became political.

The solution to appease both sides was to create another umbrella label, which was agreed upon by all parties as “Suyat”. And finally, the endless word war quieted. ^^

It’s not exactly there to become common, rather, to give some order to things and keep it simple. We’ve tried explaining by using “email” and the “universe, galaxies”, but people still don’t understand. Add to that, those who want to redefine the “fediverse” adding to the confusion. ^_

@Lemminary@lemmy.world Hahaha. Same, it was how I initially understood it. ^^;;

@nanoUFO

> Sooner rather than later

Because there must be bugs. It’s a feature. ^_~

@BrikoX

> The ability to opt-out of quote posts is also currently planned, which makes it that Mastodon’s implementation will not be compatible with other fediverse implementations of quote posting.

Not surprising. Even before ActivityPub was announced, when the #fediverse was still powered by #OStatus, Mastodon was already breaking compatibility. There were countless of heated debates about almost every Mastodon-only “feature” they implemented that all other Fediverse devs were _forced_ to implement.

And here we are with yet another.

I wonder what will supporters of opt-out or anti-quotepost camp will do if the other Fediverse devs ignore this Mastodon-only “feature”, and just continue with the common implementation of quote posts? Are we going to see a new reason for “fediblock”, and finally fragment the Fediverse network?

@slazer2au Apologies! In any case, updated and moved the inline tags down.

@vasus It is!

And apologies, hashtags are important in the fediverse. ^_

Hmm… what I can do next time is to not use inline hashtags, and just have it in a separate line. Thank you for the feedback!

@trashgirlfriend I remembered, #Walkr, a space gamification fitness app, have an option to “boost” steps when you’re about to go on a long walk/run/jumping rope session. You can use it once every 24 hours only (and only lasts for 2 hours IIRC).

I think, now that you suggested it, that was maybe their solution to keeping the sensitivity fixed for their game, but giving users a chance to earn more if they’re about to engage in a long session.

🤔

@trashgirlfriend Ooh. I like that! It could be a widget too for easy access.

@hornedfiend @schamppu I think the game is set to medium sensitivity, or Low. There are some fitness apps with a sensitivity setting, and if you place it high, it is more accurate. The problem arises if you’re just moving your phone, since it’s high sensitivity, it counts those as steps. So, most apps have it at medium or Low. That’s my guess at least.

@commander_la_freak @emeralddawn45

That’s a new way to explain it, “frame rate”.

Most #scifi that touches on #ParallelWorlds and #TimeTravel use some sort of vibration or frequency. Even in the 90s Japanese #anime entitled #SerialExperimentsLain, it used the Schumann resonance to explain its plot. And of course in #Marvel and #DC they do the same.

But, yeah, I’m not sure either about it. Is there a way to find out which author/writer first thought of this idea? Or, was it based on a real-life theory that scifi authors picked-up independently? Or, was it Star Trek that created this approach?

(And again, that frame rate approach is great. ^_)

@sub_ Yep, I’m using #Exult. I find it easier than regular #DOSBox. I used the files installed by GOG for Exult Linux. And true, I like the QoL features they added!

@Lunar Ahh! Fable, Fallout, and Witcher! I miss those too. Hmm, I think they’re on winter sale, I might be able to grab them as well. ^_;;

@Lunar You too! ^_

@RookieNerd @fediverse

Hmm… There is a misconception on what the #Fediverse is and what is the goal, which unfortunately is what the press are telling people.

1. The Fediverse is about bringing down the walls (silos / walled-garden).

2. It never had the goal or objective or vision to replace Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, Instagram, Flickr, Blogspot.

The Fediverse software available today are the materialised ideas of developers who believe in a federated SocialWeb, which by the way, is the original #Web3 (not crypto). It goes all the way back to 2005 (probably earlier, I don’t have my notes).

The goal was to get existing silos to open up and federate.

It just that, there are more developers who are excited about it, so we started to see serious projects related to the Fediverse. If I remember correctly, Misskey was not a Fediverse project when it first started. So, one would say Misskey was the first non-federation project that joined the fediverse network.

If these silos don’t federate, it’s fine too, because there are existing software and instances available.

And it has always been about choice.

If users want to stay with silo #SNS by all means. The fediverse is not here to replace them, the fediverse is here as an option and as a solution to the issues plaguing silo networks (like ads, privacy, content license, to mention a few).

That’s what the fediverse is about and always have been to this day. It is never about replacing this and that, or recruiting people to switch over and encourage them to delete their silo SNS accounts. These other things were simply the passion and convictions of the users who migrated and some of the developers who developed fediverse software, it’s not part of the fediverse itself.

It’s just a protocol. Again, I’ll use email here. If you have a server, you can choose to install your own email software. The protocol is there. Various email software are there. OR, you can just use Yandex or Gmail or Zoho and use the custom domain feature (or use their email hosting services).

If Twitter and Facebook implement the protocol, hooray! Mission accomplished. If they don’t, that’s fine either.

So, yeah, people are hating that Instagram will implement the #ActivityPub protocol and join the #Fediverse network. They have valid reasons and it is understandable. However, the fediverse started to be a #WebStandard protocol to allow federation and bring back the #SocialWeb as it was intended to be.

For us who were there in 2005 already, and when the first Fediverse software and instance came online in 2008, that is still our vision and goal, to bring down the walls of silo SNS.

@RookieNerd @fediverse

Do not recommend one software and/or one instance.

Using your scenario, would you recommend photography instances based on #Mastodon knowing Mastodon only allows up to 4 “attached” images? Not only that, Mastodon will only display 4 images even if there are more than that?

Or, are you going to recommend #Pixelfed designed for images. Or, maybe #Firefish, #Friendica, #Hubzilla, #Streams, which all allow more than 4 images and will display all the images even if it exceeds their software’s attach limit?

Quite frankly, in my opinion, with the image display alone, Mastodon is highly not recommended. So, the number of users and instances Mastodon have does not make it the best #Fediverse software, as you have mentioned earlier, “Mastodon is the level of UX other projects should aim to”. It’s not.

The best approach is we understand what the user needs and suggest to them the appropriate software and instances that will suit their needs.

Let’s forget about the Fediverse for a while.

We have to remember that not everyone is on Twitter or Facebook. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals who only have an Instagram account. Why? They don’t need Twitter and Facebook.

In Korea, for example, they have their own culture and platforms for communication Twitter/Facebook-like, so they don’t need those. But many of them have Instagram accounts.

Now, let’s go back to the Fediverse.

If those are the users we are reaching out to, then there should be no problem recommending Pixelfed. Because for these target market, their only concern and type of use is to share, well, photos or their latest digital artwork. They don’t care about a Twitter/Facebook-like experience or use.

That brings us back to the features of #ActivityPub. It is an “added benefit”.

1. Users who want to follow this content creator can do so using their existing account.

Okay, you can’t do this with #Lemmy, the last time I checked, however, you can do it with #Kbin. That’s a Lemmy limitation, not the fediverse.

2. For the content creator who migrated to the fediverse, in particular, Pixelfed in our scenario, they have a greater reach because they’re federated.

(Extra: You can actually turn Pixelfed into a regular Twitter-like software if you are using the web UI. Although, last time I heard it will be removed eventually.)

(Extra 2: BookWyrm also allows Twitter-like feeds and interaction, it’s not restricted to just books.)