Look, I don’t care. It’s irrelevant to my point if they were bad people. The only reason I brought up the founders was to say even they, who stood up a government, didn’t trust the government.

Make your point without posting links.

What I said is straight forward and true and doesn’t say anything about stopping or history being moot, that’s all your baggage.

We have a lot of history about governments spanning many thousands of years so naturally when you are thinking about governments from a historical perspective, most will predate 1776. It doesn’t mean I am not thinking about what has transpired since but you know its been hundreds of years, and not thousands. Kind of a no-brainer my dude.

I’m sorry I think you’re replying to the wrong person as I didn’t say anything about stopping but hey, go gettem tiger.

Can you show me the calls for genocide of trans people, please? I’m struggling to understand the rest of what you said, regarding warmongering lords, and Libertarian (as in Libertarian political party?) paradise? 🤔

I don’t hate the government but I understand that we aren’t friends. I don’t hate billionaires or businesses but I understand that they aren’t my friends. When it comes to the most dangerous entities, it’s governments first, then businesses and billionaires.

Nazi Germany was a government. Volkswagen and IBM were companies, and one of the wealthiest people in that place and time was Friedrich Flick. Friedrich was a shithead but Nazi Germany didn’t join the Friedrich fan club, instead Friedrich joined the Nazi fan club. Hitler wasn’t trying to be a CEO or a millionaire he was reaching for government power.

OP simply started this thread by posting an article, to which I commented, and you replied on my comment. If you wanted to talk to everyone in the thread you could have just not clicked reply on my comment.

I am aware that there are many people in this thread (to which you are not directly replying) but you know it really seems like one person. OPs article coming from extreme left bias site, and everyone in here having basically the same opinion and almost saying exactly the same thing over and over “look at this enlightened libertarian”.exe highlights how really it doesn’t matter how many of you there are here. It’s essentially just one view.

Sure.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/current-affairs-media-bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_(media)#%3A~%3Atext=An+epistemic+bubble+is+an%2Cof+significant+information+and+reasoning.

In an extreme “echo chamber”, one purveyor of information will make a claim, which many like-minded people then repeat, overhear, and repeat again (often in an exaggerated or otherwise distorted form) until most people assume that some extreme variation of the story is true.

It’s socially unacceptable and illegal to do all three.

While it’s true that many countries have documents outlining the rights and duties of citizens, the significance of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights can’t be overstated.

These foundational documents were crafted with a specific emphasis on individual liberties and protection from government overreach, which sets them apart from similar documents in other nations. The fact that they’re products of governance doesn’t diminish their importance - it’s precisely because they’re rooted in the social contract that they’ve been able to shape American politics, law, and society in such profound ways.

You can’t dismiss the unique historical context in which these documents were written, nor can you downplay the impact they’ve had on the country. The US Constitution and Bill of Rights have served as a beacon for democracy and individual freedom around the world, inspiring countless others to fight for their own rights and liberties.

So, while I appreciate your point that other countries have similar documents, I believe it’s incorrect to imply that the US Constitution and Bill of Rights are just like any other. They’re an integral part of American identity and a cornerstone of democracy - and that makes them truly special.

Wrong. You’re responding to me who is commenting on OP’s article.

The US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, in part protect the people from the government. Think about it.

Fairly certain, yeah.

I don’t need to, you made the claim, burden of proof is on you and I couldn’t give a shit less what you think. It’s just so amusing watching you behave exactly as I’ve come to expect from this community.

You seem so sure of your assumptions as you mock me as a free thinker. How rich.

The government that I am a part of, the society that I am a part of, actually has a problem with rape, torture, and murder. We even have a hard time, as a culture, with capital punishment. That doesn’t mean that we don’t do it but it’s a point of contention.

What you’re engaging with is known as the “association fallacy”. Here’s some homework for you, have fun. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

Most of the history that comes to mind predates 1776, which makes sense.

The article is about the US.

That’s actually not true. See the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They’re documents that were written to guarantee and protect my rights as an individual. I was lucky to have been born in this time and place, look back or just around the world today and you will see countries without these arrangements. If you’re a US citizen and you don’t understand how lucky you are you need to travel more and read books. Get out of the city, and do it alone. You’ll see.

I say “if true” and you immediately conflate this to “it’s not true”.

You people wouldn’t survive outside of your echo chamber, I’m sure that’s why you’re here. There’s no room for independent thought, nuance, or critical thinking. You repeate a narrative and jack each other off all day, it’s disgusting.