I think her point is more about essentialist thinking, and I don’t think it’s a fair interpretation to construe her as comparing you to a terf.
You’re seriously telling me that “i have a hunch you would count some trans women as actually men” is NOT comparing me to a terf? Are you fucking kidding me?
How elsea am i supposed to read this take here within the context of her post:
Are you even serious in your delineations? I’ve been deliberately abused by someone whose attitude on the matter boiled down to “your transness is real but it doesn’t matter if you’re trans: if an afab abuses you and you get mad about being abused, then you don’t actually care about women”. I guess that ends up being transmisogyny by definition but it’s still weaponizing this “mEn R eVuL” bullshit. But you know what, it’s not just about trans women being misgendered,
That outright says “i don’t buy that you don’t include at least some trans women in this.” And why the part about “Palestinian men not being worthy victims”? Were have i said anything to that extent? Who is putting words in whose mouth here?
She can’t even be arsed to defend this herself, and i’ve had an awful day, i’ve full-on dissociated for half of the evening because i’ve got my back up against the wall and have no idea what to do about it, but sure, go ahead, add some more to the online drama, it’s such a welcome distraction from not getting healthcare.
And why? Because i refused to engange in “not all men” bullshit. That’s literally her stance, that women HAVE to make sure we use that antifeminist dogwhistle and even that is not enough for her:
I used to think the excuse of “when we say men we don’t mean all men, just the bad ones” was meant seriously, but turns out it’s way easier to use it as a very convenient excuse to never learn any trigger control and never grapple with their own capacity to be abusive than to actually put those words into practice.
And that’s not even getting into all the implications about me being “abusive” and “unsafe” that she keeps repeating. Have you never seen how trans women get ostracized? When she loads an entire wall of text up with stuff like that and lets it drop that she’s been inquiring about me behind my back, what am i supposed to think of that? Because she did that, too, she outright says so, as you could have noticed when reading her post three times over.
At this point, i can’t believe i didn’t report that post.
A bunch of guys outside my appartment block are beating each other up with lawn chairs, today is honestly kinda fucked up
Another round of my healthcare system expecting me to white knuckle unmedicated ADHD while it proudly announces to dismantle psychiatric care and support for unemployed people 
Brianna Wu would obviously refuse to compete in any sporting event with a cis woman and would ask JKR to let Graham Linnehan fight her instead.
True, i see Dodge Rams over here every once in a while. It’s not an everyday thing, but i don’t look twice anymore when i see one of these monsters block off half a lane in a parking lot because the bed is poking out. I just looked that up, apparently this does work by using a legal loophole and approving them on an individual basis. According to one German article, that applies to 6800 new trucks each year in the entire EU, mostly things like the RAM. And the Cybertruck is even larger than that, right? I can’t imagine that fitting anywhere, at that point you may as well drive a 7,5 tonner, at least that one has room to also bring one of those little forklifts.
Patriarchy exists as a system by men, for men, against women and other people who aren’t men. You are victim blaming when you are calling me “sexist”. What’s next, will you call black people racist for saying they can’t trust white people? Will you pretend that cisphobia could ever be a thing that exists because trans people find it hard to trust cis people?
No matter how much liberals write oppression off as an individual bias that some people just have against members of other groups, we can only look at these things through a systemic lens. Men as a class have structural power over women as a class. Look at the statistics for sexual violence, for domestic violence, look who does these things and who is affected by them. It’s overwhelmingly something that men do to women. Yes, it’s not 100% of the time something that men do to women, but that’s besides the point. We live in a system that not only hands men the power to be abusers, but that routinely protects them when they do and that encourages them every day to inhabit that role. The same can’t be said about women. It just can’t.
On a semi-related note, there is a quote attributed to Bismarck that goes “those who know how sausages and laws are made can’t sleep quiet at night”. Of course, he didn’t draw the obvious conclusions of going vegan and stopping to be a core figure of German politics, because he’s just the kind of guy who white knuckles consciously participating in atrocities.
It’s tonedeaf to use a term that was coined in a different historic context for a group that has its own experience with oppression. We have several words for assimilationist trans people attacking members of their own community, like transmed and truscum. One can point out that such a thing exists in a lot of groups, but I agree that porting such terms is tonedeaf. I would not call Candace Owens or Milo Yiannopoulos truscum, either, it would make zero sense as that word exists in a very specific historical context that just does not apply to cis people even though transmedicalism is originally a discourse wholly invented by cis people.
It’s mostly anecdotal, reliable numbers on this are impossible to find specifically because transmedicalism forced so many trans women to lie when questioned about their sexuality. I feel that bi trans people are common, or at the very least out much more often than bi cis people, but I still have a strong hunch that at least a plurality of trans women is lesbian. My experience with trans men is even more circumstantial, but a lot of them are gay. With nonbinary people it gets more muddy, as that group is even further from being a monolith. But the overall impression is very clear.
Ofc that kind of anecdotal evidence has a serious problem of ingroup bias, as both trans sapphics and trans straight girls tend to form their own groups that interact very little with each other. Yes, there’s larger communities, but even when they have a much broader draw than my circle, they strongly lean one way or the other.
But even when I’m at events that have a larger audience than my corner of the queer community or when I’m talking to therapists who specialize in gender affirming care, it at least leaves the same impression: trans women who mostly date men are very far from making up a majority of trans women.
If a woman venting in a thread about an incredibly abusive man makes you literally pull a “not all men” diatribe, I find it very hard to engage with that.
I don’t want to come off as dismissive about the role of white womanhood in racism. I’m aware how men of color are demonized and i do not participate in that. Go through my post history when you’re already at the point of firing up the whisper networks to talk behind the back of the bad trans woman. I’m not gonna comment on gender in nonwhite communities, as that’s not my place, but i do need to point out that you are pulling the usual trick to shut trans women up by insinuating we’re all white homonationalists who want to bomb Palestine. Did you also call me a terf somewhere in there? I’m sorry, but I lose focus at times when I get confronted with overused arguments, I think it’s the ADHD.
Edit: wow you legitimately went there, you seriously told a trans woman how much her arguments remind you of terfs. You really did that. How do you keep looking in the mirror after that? I’m serious, how can you do that? How the fuck do you live with hurling that accusation at another trans girl?
With a few hours distance, i do see that you put effort into that post and i think you do deserve a good faith engagement with what you have to say, like i’m really taking the parts about white women tears and worthy victims to heart, i give that serious thought, these are in themselves valid objections - but please look at the context in which you are raising them. Seriously. I stand by my point that i will not spare the feelings of privileged classes. I shut the fuck up when comrades of color feel the need to vent about crackers because as a trans person, as a queer person, and yes also as a woman i know what it’s like to face systemic oppression. And i gotta be honest with you, i expect the same leniency when i go off about men in a thread that is literally about a guy who terrorized his ex for 4 years, continued to exert control over her in the most mundane parts of her day to day life, pretended to abduct their child and had a history of domestic violence towards her that led to the breakup in the first place.
How can you see that and scold women for not being nuanced enough because you’re lucky enough to be blessed with a father who isn’t an abusive piece of shit? Do you think i don’t know good men? My brother is the best ally i could wish for, he’s always had my back. I’ve stood side by side with men (well, with one man, anybody else was trans women and nonbinary people, but i do appreciate that guy’s contribution) when chuds tried to raid my favorite queer bar. And there’s men on here that i regularly have good, pleasant, productive discourse with. Of course individual good men are out there. That does not stop patriarchy from existing and patriarchy only exists because a majority of men uphold and practice patriarchal control all the fucking time. Focussing on individuals instead of systems is pure, undiluted liberalism. Your “not all men” sensibilities effectively mean you refuse to hold men as a class accountable for patriarchy, for a central support structure of capitalism. You need to reckon with that.
Her exact wording was “i’m not queer, i live with a woman i have known for 20 years”. It’s not a side note, every word there is extremely intentional. It’s a declaration of “look how stable and monogamous and highly respectable my relationship is” while publicly disavowing literally anybody else in the community. Also note how she does not use the term lesbian, either, and that her partner of more than 20 years is not her wife because she thinks actual marriage should be reserved for straight people and that a civil union is enough for her. No, seriously, that’s her actual, official position on gay marriage.
lmao the facial expression on that Signalis poster
For starters, Brianna Wu is part of a pseudoscientific cult known as transmedicalists. Transmedicalism was originally a method of medical gatekeeping that had the purpose of keeping as many trans people as possible from transitioning, drive most of us right back into the closet forever and to make sure that the tiny minority of trans people that was allowed to access hormones, surgeries etc. would remain largely invisible and completely isolated from each other.
These systems of gatekeeping have very gradually losened up in a lot of places during the last 30 years, and the academic justifications for them have been debunked in their entirity. However, remnants of these gatekeeping systems are still in place almost everywhere, there are still a lot of psychiatrists and psychotherapists that cling to these outdated believes and force them on their patients, they still permeate the public perception of trans people - and some trans people fully buy into them and wield these believes against the rest of the community.
Brianna Wu is one of these so-called transmeds or truscums. These people believe that they are the only true trans people and that most other trans people are faking it for attention, for fetishistic reasons or due to a mental illness. They also tend to believe that transness in itself constitutes a serious mental illness. As you can imagine, these views are extremely inflammatory, bigotted and harmful to the community at large. It is not surprising that many transmeds routinely collaborate with outspokenly transphobic cis people in an extremely sycophantic way.
In the case of Brianna Wu, a core part of her transmedicalism is a seething hatred of lesbian trans women, which she views as some kind of fetishistic straight men. On a surface level, this mostly expresses as the annoying habit of never shutting up about her very mediocre husband, but it goes way beyond that. You see, most trans women are lesbian, so back in the mid 20th century a handy way to keep a lot of us from transitioning was to just pretend that you have to be straight to actully be trans. That instantly rules out more than half of us, which is a big win if you want all trans women to either kill themselves or live as unhappy alcoholics. There was obviously never any reliable evidence for the absurd idea that only cis women can be lesbians, but it somehow became the consensus thanks to a charlatan and fraud named Ray Blanchard. Now, Blanchard and the other psychiatrists who pushed that bs did not believe any of us are actually women and refused to gender us correctly as long as we were still transitioning, so they coined the terms Autogynephile (AGP) for trans lesbian and Homosexual Transsexual (HSTS) for straight trans women. Now, when you look at OP, you might notice one of the terms being turned into a pun there, and that it’s the term for the bad trans woman, whereas the other one is described as a “normal transsexual gal”.
If this makes you wonder how bisexuals fit into that, they don’t, the people who coined these terms were also deeply biphobic and just assumed bisexuals were either particularly sicko AGPs or HSTSs in denial. They also denied that nonbinary people exist and the idea that asexuals exist probably never crossed their mind. If you wonder how trans men fit into all of this, they don’t, a core reason why the number of trans men transitioning has tripled in recent years is that most of them were just written off as fakes in the past, and that doctors didn’t even bother to make up excuses because under patriarchy it’s easy to pretend that obviously a lot of women would want to be a man.
I could go on, but explaining to a cis person how transmedicalists view issues like passing, medical transitioning, pathologizing transness, gender roles etc. is something i’m not gonna do. You would not be able to tell that apart from struggles that trans people in general have to deal with. That’s a conversation we need to have among ourselves because it is too complex, nuanced and painful for cis people to take part in. Let’s just leave it at the following:
Zipper; “Missile With A Man In It”; Witwenmacher “Widowmaker” (Bundesluftwaffe nickname); Flying Coffin; Ground Nail; Bullet & Blades; Badmash “Wicked One” (Pakistani nickname for F-104As), Eiko “Glory” (Japanese nickname for F-104Js), Spaghetti Starfighter (Italian nickname for F-104S-ASAs.)
The Luftwaffe also called it Sargfighter, after the German word for coffin.
Bugs Bunny was an egg, everybody knows this about her.
I have a job and a boyfriend
Imagine being that proud about being exploited 24/7, straight people are fucking pathetic.
That was also the German nickname for the F-104, and i’m expecting somebody to barge in and inform us that the F-35 has been called that for a decade now.
I hope you and CommunistCuddlefish enjoy getting used as pawns by a bunch of transmisogynists, i’m out. You gaslighty piece of shit.