I appreciate that, but an election is coming and I want to know what the policy will be, especially regarding these massive issues.
Also, I want to see people in prison for this fraud, particularly anybody in or related to government.
I’ve seen enough crackdowns on ‘benefit fraud’ in my lifetime, it’s time for an actual fraud smackdown.
Oh and you have a named account do you?
Maybe you’re just some Blairite pro Starmer establishmentist, ever think about that?
Well, I think he decided some time ago and then lied about having made the decision only to then make the decision.
I honestly, despise this lot but nothing Labour is saying is getting me excited, nothing at all.
Yeah, he’s a corrupt Tory prick, of course that’s what he’s doing.
I’m just annoyed at the total lack of vision from this Labour party. They are shite.
This whole plan doesn’t mention HS2 or Brexit. (nor housing or the environment for that matter)
‘Cutting regulations will unlock £50bn a year in investment, Labour said.’ - This is either bullshit or code for fucking over workers.
When it comes to covid fraud, I’m less interested in recovering the cash, and more interested in prosecuting the Tory government that actually enabled, encouraged and participated in this massive fraud.
Overall, utterly pathetic, spineless, lack of leadership.
I can’t stand the Tories, but at least Rishi actually had the balls to decide something publicly on HS2, I think it’s wrong but at least he decided something.
You’ve obviously decided to vote Lib Dem regardless of reality
I haven’t decided anything yet, there’s a long time until the election.
Maybe Keith will be toppled and Ed Miliband will come in and start saying things I like, and then I’ll change my mind.
I’m not sure there’s any point continuing this discussion.
Well I have listened to your points, I did some research on the ULEZ thing and I just don’t think that’s the reason they lost this by-election. the current state of things Labour should be walking that and I don’t believe ULEZ explains it, most people won’t have to pay anything for ULEZ it’s a total non issue.
If you think that’s a reason to vote Lib Dem, I guess that’s your right.
I mean, they support PR don’t they?
They always have and they’ve never played politics with the issue, same for the SNP. I’d vote for that even if I didn’t like their other policies.
I’m going to vote for the party most likely to do the kinds of things that we both want: Labour.
If I thought they were going to do the things I think we agree need doing, then I would agree, but I don’t trust them and I definitely don’t trust Keith.
I should say, I quite liked what he had to say about Brexit and things before he became leader and in fact he was my prefered choice for leader (not that I get a vote as I am not a member of any party and I wouldn’t last 5 mins in Labour with all their rules anyway) , I am judging him based on what I’ve seen.
The trouble is, there is no party that really is offering the radical change we needed 20 years ago. At least voting for a PR party we can maybe get that done and maybe in 5 - 10 more years we can start getting some actual good policy.
I’d be quite interested to know why it is you have as much faith in Starmer as you do?
It’s not nearly enough none of that actually fixes anything it’s again just faffing at the edges and I don’t believe he won’t u-turn the second the Daily Heil throws a headline at him.
What you need to realise is that there’s a growing number of people feel the same, we are sick of this shit.
As for the Lib Dems, doing what their members ask, I have two words: tuiton fees.
Yeah, a fucking Labour policy in the first place.
Yeah you are so right, and I don’t buy the ULEZ excuse either, nobody is excited for vote for Keith, are they?
How doesn’t it make sense, those are policies I would like to see, that a lot of voters would like to see actually.
You’re advocating for a bunch of policies proposed by no parties
Yeah no shit mate, that’s exactly the problem.
vote Lib Dem?
So what? I’ve voted LD in the past because they have had more progressive policy and they support PR voting reform unlike Labour they actually implement as policy objectives the things their members vote for, unlike Keir who just ignores his party on issues like PR. Yeah Daveys not inspiring, but neither is Keith.
The party that comes closest to what you say you want is Labour.
No it isn’t, I just laid out for you the kind of policy I want and Labour are a million miles away in Tory land.
The cowardly thing for them to do would be to pretend that everything’s just great, that we can all just cross our fingers and wish the Tories away.
Isn’t that exactly what he’s doing? Crossing his fingers and having power handed to him by default because the Tories are hated and the voting system is shit? That’s what it seems like to me.
They’re actually out there trying to win the votes they need to make things better.
They are trying to won votes, but HOW are they going to make things better? Are they going to do anything about those major issues I mentioned?
Because all I’ve heard from fucking Keith is Tory talking points about growth and tough on crime and it makes me want to fucking vomit.
You know if he said he was going to be tough on Tory criminals and criminal wealth hoarders like the Royal family… I could get on board with that, but we all know what that shit is about it’ll be ‘anti social behaviour’ and cracking down on poor people smoking weed and shit.
Edit :
Also, I know this is youtube comments but I just came across this, just take a look at the comments under Starmers interview here it’s remarkable how similar in general they are to what I am saying and there’s LOADS of them.
You can’t expect them to fix everything
I don’t but I do expect them to grapple the big issues, like our broken electoral system (and the media and it’s ownership for that matter) and climate change, I’d like them to actually redistribute all the wealth in this country i.e take it off the billionaires and aristocrats and companies that are hoarding wealth.
Labour’s current pledge to reform planning rules to allow more housebuilding (and actually more building generally, including onshore wind) will go some way to fixing that problem.
It won’t, it is faffing about at the edges, we need to stop anybody who isn’t resident here owning property and we need taxes on multiple ownership as well as a mass social house building program.
None of that will happen if they don’t get elected. That’s the bit you’re calling ‘pandering’ and I’m calling ‘media management’. Allowing yourself to get distracted by the marketing, which I’m afraid is what you’re doing, instead of the substance, is a mistake.
I know, and I personally think is cowardly as fuck.
Make your case and bring people with you is the way to actually gain support, all he is doing is playing the same old FPTP game. With no intention of reforming it.
I know I know perfect enemy of good and whatever, but I think he’s shite, I’m very disappointed.
They are a crime family.
Labour’s 100% track record at making the country better over
Sorry but, I actually remember the Labour years and this is massively over simplifying.
They actually encouraged and made worse a lot of problems we are dealing with now, things like housing and starting an illegal war.
That aside, we are talking about a different labour to the one from 15+ years ago and the things Keir is saying are not very encouraging and I don’t support a party, I vote for policy so that’s why I take a dim view of what I’m hearing.
Might they be marginally better, maybe, I used to believe that but I’m sorry he’s lost me. I know you and Kier will say that the proof is in the polling, and that might be true but I think with how god-awful this last decade has been it should be even better than that.
I am sick to fuck of pandering to old boomer fucks in marginal constituencies. You probably got that tho right?
Pollster and focus group? I’ve not seen any such evidence.
It seems my guess is as good as any bodies really, and I can certainly imagine there are others who are revolted by the way Labour has been going on.
Fair point about Davey, and in fairness I’ve no idea what they are even about now they are so irrelevant.
I’m going to vote for the party that always makes the country better
I’d like to believe Labour will do that, I just don’t.
I knew it was going to be that awful video.
Mate it’s entirely and totally wrong, here’s why
I know some, they aren’t all rich, some of them actually work for a living believe it or not.
We don’t really know exactly why, we know the Tory candidate says it was ULEZ so I’m inclined to believe it was something else tbh with you.
Starmer is a low fat Tory, he’s got no intention of reversing any of their shady policies, much less chance of improving things with a move to PR for example. I wanted him to begin with because I thought he might offer a backbone on Brexit but he;s been shite on that as well. I’ve given him a chance to see what he is, and I don’t like it, he’s shite. I’ll vote LD tbh, because I’m in a safe seat anyway and I just can’t bring myself to do it.
Believe me, those voters exist.
Or maybe all those Tory voters in uxbridge thought, maybe I want a Tory instead of low fat Tory?
And it’s not even a new development!
Yeah, because it never ended.
Is he gonna reverse that HS2 decision for example?