As I see it:

Reddit - Lemmy Discord - Revolt Twitter - Mastodon Snapchat / Whatsapp - Signal ? Instagram - No replacement to my knowledge Skype / Zoom - Jitsi

etc etc

    • Jamie@jamie.moe
      4·
      1 year ago

      It’s owned by Facebook and isn’t open source. There’s no verifiable way to say for sure that Facebook doesn’t have a master key to read everything you send on it. Compare to say, Signal, which is open source and can be verified to be secure.

      • keen1320@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        It’s still E2EE, as far as I know. Meta could always remove that feature but until they do, I’d consider it a safe and private messaging platform.

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
          5·
          1 year ago

          None of the messaging metadata is encrypted. They use that metadata to build profiles of people who aren’t Facebook or Instagram users that interact with Facebook and Instagram users. If you care about profiling for the sake of avoiding social engineering attacks, it’s one of your worst choices. If all you care about is protecting the contents of your messages, yeah, it’s pretty okay

          • keen1320@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            1 year ago

            No disagreement there. I could have clarified, my comment was in regard to message content only. I didn’t realize that about metadata and certainly am not defending Meta. I’d prefer Signal over anything else but as others have mentioned, getting friends and family to adopt is painful.

        • bemenaker@lemmy.world
          31·
          1 year ago

          Lol no it’s not. Meta can and WILL decrypt it. They have decrypted messages for police requests numerous times, and not necessarily under court order, just police asking. I support decryption under court order, but these weren’t court ordered. Thinking anything owned by Meta is secure is ridiculous.

          • keen1320@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            Then this is false advertising and a class-action lawsuit that should have already happened.

            This Arstechnica article seems to confirm that they can’t decrypt without user intervention and that they have only ever supplied metadata to law enforcement. I’m no fan of Meta but do you have sources that they have in fact decrypted actual message content at the request of law enforcement?

        • 8565@lemmy.quad442.com
          1·
          1 year ago

          It’s e2e from your device to server however once on the server Meta can access everything. Same as Apples e2e

    • ImaginaryFox@kbin.social
      3·
      1 year ago

      It’s still part of the Meta platform so not completely independent.

      What information does WhatsApp share with the Meta Companies?

      WhatsApp currently shares certain categories of information with Meta Companies. The information we share with the other Meta Companies includes your account registration information (such as your phone number), transaction data (for example, if you use Facebook Pay or Shops in WhatsApp), service-related information, information on how you interact with businesses when using our Services, mobile device information, your IP address, and may include other information identified in the Privacy Policy section entitled ‘Information We Collect’ or obtained upon notice to you or based on your consent.

      https://faq.whatsapp.com/1303762270462331