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At the dawn of the new year, Pornhub will leave Florida. Thanks to a harsh new age verification law that takes effect on January 1, the porn giant will no longer do business in the sunshine state. The law mirrors similar laws passed in other Republican led states where Pornhub has stopped doing business.
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This is just a blatant power grab. It’s not about porn, after all if they were really concerned about nsfw sites they’d be happy with how easy the site is to regulate. If they wanted to they could potentially find a way to bring in tax revenue with it.
This is all about control and getting people used to having the government invading their privacy. Over time they’ll shift and start invading other online spaces.
Reminder that verification laws do not work and are straight up fascist.
Not in FL, but in another GOP state that I’m sure will join the bandwagon eventually. I knew there was a reason I’ve been hoarding “data”.
I wonder if pornhub owns shares in a VPN company?
I wonder if GOP owns shares in a VPN company?
Right? There’s always a grift.
Florida isn’t even the first. Arkansas has already had the same basic effect.
PH stopped working in VA several months ago if not longer, and we weren’t the first.
thank god i don’t live in south boston, but instead boston. at least according to mullvad. ain’t no way i’m uploading my driver’s license to shit
Always pull out. Even if you’re wearing a condom. Even if she says she’s on the pill.
Should be the default strategy always! Small price to pay for piece of mind.
Yeah I dont know why I always get downvotes from folks saying to pull out. Its a good idea in addition to other birth control methods.
I don’t know economics, but is there a way to buy stocks in some VPN providers? Seems like they are about to do well.
Do the porn sites already own shares in VPN companies?
Yes - a stock exchange - but Florida is only a small part of the overall market and most people will just tolerate the ban.
I mean, most websites will not respect the ban, so people will use those.
Yeah, but how many VPN providers are public companies? I’m guessing not very many given the reporting requirements public companies face.
VPNs aren’t illegal.
Never said they were.
That list of public companies mostly sell networking gear that you can use to configure VPNs. I don’t think that’s what the post I originally replied to was talking about. I think they were talking more about VPN service providers like NordVPN, ExpressVPN, PIA, ProtonVPN, etc.
Those are companies that provide VPNs. Every product you just listed is also a legit business.
They shouldn’t of pulled out, they should of impregnated Florida. Their body, my choice right?
What you are hearing people say is “should’ve”, a shortening of “should have”. “Should of” is never correct.
Thanks lol
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“sources?”
“Delusion”
“Got it”
What the actual fuck
But, isn’t Florida where they make some of the porn?..California, Florida, Nevada. The rest is the other parts of the world or people in their bedrooms or hotel bedrooms.
The law doesn’t technically ban porn. It just sets arduous requirements on distribution of porn. They can still produce it all they want, but Florida is now a difficult market to sell it in.
I expect to see a rise in European or other foreign porn sites. These will be able to safely ignore any “requirements” from Florida.
Any corporation not based in Florida can safely ignore Florida laws. This is just PH making a statement, like they have been in other states.
That gets complicated if they’re in the US. Technically, they only need to follow laws in places where they have a presence. But there are US courts that have ruled that operating a web service available in their jurisdiction counts. Then there’s all the stuff about interstate commerce and enforcement, lawsuits and criminal charges, etc. for a simple example, look up Media Matters and Twitter.
Conversely, if they are entirely outside of US jurisdiction, Florida can file (and win) lawsuits to their heart’s content. It only matters if they can collect or enforce an injunction, or at least enforce a block.
Pornhub is a Canadian company.
Seems they are officially based out of Cyprus, with a large parent (equity) company operating in multiple countries.
I’m betting at least some of those operations are in the US, although I couldn’t easily find a list to confirm. They could also have employees, such as developers, or operate data centers in the US. HQ isn’t especially meaningful in this context.
I have two reactions
- Oh no, anyway. VPNs exist
- This is scary, these Verification Laws are killing the internet even more painfully than the corporate takeover.
Feels like they are the same thing.
That never works.
Yeah pulling out is never enough, you need to wear protection.
There will now be over 115 million Americans affected by this growing ban. Now over one third of the population, yes a full 34.4%, will not be able to access pornhub in their state without using a VPN. And we all know they are coming for the VPN next.
The real issue is that most people dont know how to use vpns. So they just go to sketchier websites.
“Land of the free”
They should really look at changing their national anthem.
I don’t know how a nation with such a well known history of slavery got away with calling itself the “land of the free”.
If you were a white male who owned property. America was pretty free for you, everyone else can got fucked.
Wives and children are property right?
And more importantly, these laws are written so broadly that these age verification laws can be applied to any website that the state government doesn’t like whether they host porn or not. CNN posts article about killings in Gaza? That’s not appropriate for children so ID needed. Left-wing forum that’s critical of the local Republican government? Well that’s not appropriate for children either so we’ll need to see the IDs of everyone that has ever visited the site.
I hope these laws get overturned sooner than later but I won’t hold my breath.
CNN posts article about killings in Gaza?
The only killings in Gaza CNN would post about is IDF and hostage deaths.
I literally thought the same thing while writing it, but still wanted to use a mainstream source as an example.
Slippery slope is nonsense. We dont allow a bunch of other things for children, its not any different because the company would rather stop selling altogether then to adjust for regulations.
A lot of people here are acting like free access to any type of pornography is a net benefit for society as well, which I find strange.
It’s a privacy issue, not an age verification issue.
They’re welcome to try, but I seriously doubt they will be successful
Yeah just about every company uses VPNs too.
Headline is 10/10.
The subtitle is pretty good too.
I mean, it kind of writes itself, but yeah. Sometimes the easy ones are, in fact, the best ones.
First time I heard it as a joke was from George Carlin discussing how wars are inherently phallocentric.
Conservatives love losing freedoms.
While Pornhub pulling out of Florida (US) may not be the end of the !world@lemmy.world, the underlying trend of pornography criminalisation for “modesty” can easily translated into sexual control and control of sex.
As we all know by now, sexual control is gendered against women and queers, racialised, et al.
Control of sex on the other hand is well substrated in Anti-Choice or bodily autonomy-denying discourse as well as population control for classist, racist etc. motives.
Since when is Florida scared of sex? Since it hates minorities. (IMO)
people can dress it in whatever positive or negative light they want over the p*rn issue. the larger issue at hand IMO is that its the government stepping into people’s private lives and telling them how to live. “Your culture is immoral, you need to learn morals and modesty. you are being reprimanded for your immoral behaivor” These views are Considered Immoral by some but perfectly fine by others.
lets call it what it is, its the people who err on the bible thumping side of the fence, trying to enforce their views on the rest of the people.
I’m a supporter of more scrutiny in general when it comes to kids having access to stuff online, (A lot of stuff, not just 18+ things). but that’s obviously the avenue that the Morality Police are trying to take to go after society in general
I’m a supporter of more scrutiny in general when it comes to kids having access to stuff online, (A lot of stuff, not just 18+ things). but that’s obviously the avenue that the Morality Police are trying to take to go after society in general
The smokescreen of supposed enforcement of children’s rights is so thick, that the issue they say they try to address cannot be discussed even among the adult electorate.
Children cannot comprehend pornography, but so are the proponents of sexual control. Our current societies do not have adequate education of sexuality, even or especially for adults.
A theoretical child in a theoretical society, that has no concept of sexuality, a “pure” child so to speak, will be unfit as an adult for a sexually-controlled society, because it will very likely be unable to say no to coercion. Children and adults cannot resist coercive societies without education.
Pornography is a market with low elasticity. States banning markets essentially lose significant control over the exchanges. States already ban coercive pornography (not very good, but idealistically), but allow consensual pornography. Banning pornography altogether mingles coercive pornography with consensual pornography in black markets. Uneducated adults will not understand coercion in black markets of pornography.
Is “coercion pornography” rape or rape play? I assume you mean that once pornography is illegal well get the same results as the war on drugs; things that would generally be innocuous becoming tied to criminal activity.
It’s much broader than sex though:
Florida’s law is HB3. The law is broad. It requires a website that provides material that is “harmful to minors” to provide a means of “anonymous age verification” to its minors. What does it mean for material to be “harmful to minors?” According to the law any material that “the average person applying contemporary community standards would find, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest.”
I guarantee this will be used (or at least attempted) to silence political speech critical of local governments. It’s far too easy to come up with even the weakest justification for why something isn’t appropriate for children and Republicans have an army of useful idiots ready to parrot their rhetoric and convince everyone else who isn’t paying attention to what’s happening.
I guarantee this will be used (or at least attempted) to silence political speech critical of local governments.
Its real target is less pron, and more “So, you think you’re maybe gay? Here’s what you can do…” or “If your family hates queer people, and you’re queer, here’s help for you:…” information.
Anything to keep “teh gays” from “converting kids to trans”.
further, paradoxically, denying access to porn puts women in more danger. most porn consumers will probably just get a vpn and roll with it. but enough of them will translate their frustration into violence against women for it to be a problem. we know this because we’ve seen it before. sex work is degrading, dehumanizing, and exploitative, but banning it consistently makes it worse, not better, for the people most endangered by it.
further, paradoxically, denying access to porn puts women in more danger.
That’s… Part of the goal. Women “need to know their place” and all, per the GOP.
oh no i know. it’s just they always sell these policies to women who aren’t endangered by them by saying they’re meant to make women safer. it’s like saying “we’re going to make communities safer by criminalizing drugs.” to demographics who were never endangered in the first place it makes sense. to people who understand the interrelation between class and crime, it immediately raises risk flags. the best way to get people to stop selling drugs is to give them money to buy food another way. the best way to get people to stop doing drugs is to get them into a healthcare facility and address the issues the drugs dull. criminalization just makes engaging in these survival tactics more dangerous
Or they are laws to prevent children from seeing pornography.
Former child here. Children will figure out how to get access to anything they need. They’re not the target audience here. Or at least it won’t work that way, even if intended to.
Since this says “material that is ‘harmful to minors’” and not specifically pornography, it could also be used to silence dissenting opinions, etc. Reading anti-republican propaganda? Better be ready to show you ID for that…
Yeah, that might be a side effect.
The Florida Oblast will turn into the f’n People’s Republic of China.
