Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as “The Adjuster.”

In the day or so since the alleged shooter’s identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a “typical” American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.

This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society hitler-detector , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.

This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as “nothing malicious,” by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.

We’re going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to “propaganda of the deed” may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.

  • iie [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    people here who do give him their critical support are also being told they’re bad and wrong too

    I looked in the modlog, and this is maybe two comments. It’s not worth having a struggle session over. Fundamentally, moderating what we can say about a CEO-killing transphobe is not an exact science.

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      I looked in the modlog, and this is maybe two comments. It’s not worth having a struggle session over.

      The comment and post removal has been going on for longer than this thread has been around, and most of them are now below the recent threshold. For example, I was especially irked by the removal of Awoo’s 80+ upbeared comment near the beginning of the thread. If you look at the modlog, it is no longer visible because so many other modlog actions have happened in the meantime. But I started commenting in response to her before the comment was removed because I had been watching all the other removals that had been happening for the past couple days prior. None of those are now visible unless you look them up by username. It is worth having a struggle session over mods removing posts and banning users for, for example, making really cogent, theoretically consistent comments like Awoo’s.

      Fundamentally, moderating what we can say about a CEO-killing transphobe is not an exact science.

      You’re right, it’s not. Which is why I can’t get behind the idea of mods making it a rule to remove or ban things that are just a little too celebratory (depending on the mod at the time and their mood) of something when we should be taking advantage of the groundswell in mass support of this individual for their actions.

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        I don’t really want to litigate specific comments, especially this late at night, but, while I think I see where she’s coming from, I don’t think it’s a shocking overreach that her comments were removed.

        You’re right, it’s not. Which is why I can’t get behind the idea of mods making it a rule to remove or ban things that are just a little too celebratory (depending on the mod at the time and their mood)

        When you draw a line, some things will be near the line. That’s a pretty unavoidable part of moderating any website.

        taking advantage of the groundswell in mass support of this individual

        We’re shitposting to each other on a niche forum, we’re not taking advantage of anything to do anything.