• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 hours ago

    you made an excuse for 2012, covered up the systemic corruption in 2016 and 2020, and made another excuse for 2024.

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      There were primaries every one of those years. There was no rigging of the primaries. If people had voted differently in them we’d had different candidates.

      Once again, did you put in a minimal amount of effort to educate yourself on the candidates and participate, or did you just whine about it after the fact?

      What about the other primary years when the important stuff is really decided? Biden, Obama, and Clinton didn’t just magically appear and become contenders to the Democratic primaries. They spent decades as party members, working their way up from the bottom. You think Bill Clinton would’ve been President if he hadn’t been Governor? You think he would’ve been Governor if he hadn’t been Attourney General? You think he wouldn’t have been Attourney General if he hadn’t previously run for the House?

      There were primary elections every step of that path, and he won them all. That’s how he became Bill Clinton. And why did he win that first nomination?

      He was a coordinator for the McGovern campaign and clerked for Senator Fullbright.

      People don’t magically get nominated for the Presidency. It takes decades, and the people who will be nominees in the future are running for county clerk, state rep, or city council now. But if you only show up to vote in general elections every 2-4 years, or only vote in the Presidenial primaries, you don’t get to bitch about who gets selected because you wait 20 years to give your input on a candidate.

      Take part in the process and give your input when and where it matters or stop bitching about nobody listening to you.

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        There were primaries every one of those years. There was no rigging of the primaries.

        this is a lie, by the dncs own admission

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          That’s 100% false. Did they have preferred candidates? Absolutely. Did they keep people from voting for other candidates or discount their votes? No.

          In fact, in 2016 when it was “stolen” from Bernie, the only way for Bernie to win would have been the superdelegates ignoring the results of the caucuses and primaries and installing Bernie as the candidate, which is exactly what everyone implies they did for Clinton.

          It’s like there’s a recurring theme here: those who actually get off their ass and vote have more power to steer elections than those who bitch and moan about everything and stay home pouting.

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        Take part in the process and give your input when and where it matters or stop bitching about nobody listening to you.

        stop bitciing about others discontent

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          14 minutes ago

          They made their own bed. I don’t want to hear a word out of them that isn’t working towards a realistic, attainable solution.

          Voting in the general election against the worst party and voting in the primaries to make the other party better is a solution.

          Choosing not to participate and then whining that those who do participate are making all the decisions is not.

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            6 minutes ago

            Voting in the general election against the worst party and voting in the primaries to make the other party better is a solution.

            hasn’t worked for me yet

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        Biden, Obama, and Clinton didn’t just magically appear and become contenders to the Democratic primaries. They spent decades as party members, working their way up from the bottom.

        this is the whole ball of wax