I didn’t post it, I’m just explaining what I think the author intended. But I certainly don’t agree with them. I come from an immigrant family that fled the original brownshirts.
Yeah, I understand this post is not reflective of your own views. I’m just pointing out that fascist rhetoric starts our pretty cagey, or by being edgy as a way of testing the water before jumping in. I read through some of those comments and this really isn’t satire, the resentment, anger and blame is authentic. It’s thinly veiled racism, at best.
Ah, thanks. I agree now that I’ve gotten more context.
I was a bit on edge because some jerk tried calling me a racist for suggesting maybe this isn’t the fascism it looks like (sadly, turns out it is). So I thought perhaps you were calling me a brownshirt, which is a particularly nasty insult against people of my origin.
I’m sorry, I could have been more concise. I didn’t mean for that comment to come across as an accusation toward you. I think we’re all pretty fried watching this endless fascist nightmare, and I’ll admit being pretty sensitive about anything that looks like apologia toward this shit, too. It can take some real patience and mental discipline sometimes ; )
For this brilliant fucking idiot that I’m responding too; satire isn’t planting suggestions into the heads of disgruntled liberals to attack marginalized people even while you do so with your tongue in your cheek.
“satire” is when you say out loud your sociopathic thoughts and get epic updoots for it. The posts on ULPT are, as i understand it, humorously unethical means of achieving an objective which is socially acceptable to desire. In this case, the apparently socially acceptable desire is the removal of the minorities who we are deciding to blame for the election result. Note that this is different from the desire to win the election, the election has already passed - this is pure vindictiveness.
Ok, apparently there are actual hateful idiots in that thread. You didn’t share that part previously. Not too shocking though. That’s why I don’t use reddit.
Drive-by comments from these types are not the ones we’re gonna reach through. I’ve had more luck with my Trump neighbors than these types (made a post a while back and had more progress since then). They’re ignorant, smug and straight up having a meltdown over on Reddit right now; where this is from. It’s full fourth reich over there. Someone defending this is definitely not type to organize with.
I was having a decent conversation with another lib from lemmee; different than this type.
You seem to be both forgetting their perceved stakes, and more importantly you seem to be casting people off over relitivly minor. We dont have the luxury of deciding who we should or should not convert, they entered into the grad, we should work to bring them over rather than drive the wedge farther. I am not sure when the cool and hip thing was to carpet bag anyone who passes by, but thats going to convert noone, thats going to educate no one
Fair enough I suppose. I’ve had quite a few hostile experiences as of recent; my bad for bringing them over. Not sure why you perceive it as a “cool and hip” thing though, I was having a relatively decent conversation, as I said, with another lib. There are some I can stomach, some I can’t. Satirical racism, as a joke, is something I can choose to not associate myself with…better yet, I can get really fucking pissed at it. Same thing with those who defend it; because the whole thing…like the whole post (in unethicallifetips) even if it’s MEANT to be a joke or not is still really fucking gross.
So, I think I can at least get real fucking pissed at that. But understandably, I did have a bit of venom to it. Also. They literally came in being hostile “To the brilliant…”
I do not disagree that it is something that is angering and that you SHOULD be livid about you should. I am mostly worried that we are going to squander what is likely our best chance to organize, this is also a large tendency I have seen of pushing people away.
But what I see happening in the next few months is that we will be able to get blue team liberals after the sting of loss ends some of them will be receptive to new ideas because they will not be fed that everything is good, however we will be unable to do that if we have already alenated them all now. I can also start to see us able to get the red team liberals as trumps miriaculous economy turnaround fails to develop, agian assuming we do not alianate them now
I don’t snap at libs very often (twice since the election, which I’ll explain); which was the point of me bringing up my other civil conversation. Specific things like that make me want to, it’s just that post-election tensions have been running high and I’ve pretty much been filled with hatred at some of the fair-weather dems. I also had a few friends who went full scratch (one literally sent me a stonetoss meme) so the noticeable right-ward shift that I’ve seen just has me on edge. I was vitriolic and venomous, I get it and I do apologize about that.
I could be wrong too, maybe it is someone who might see more left-leaning views in the future. God knows I used to say dumb shit (14 year old lolbertarian at one point), but looking back now I’m also glad I had people to voice their abject disgust or tell me to fuck off instead of trying to make it seem acceptable by “negotiating” or “tolerating” it. That’s just me though, I can see your point otherwise.
It’s really hard to tell who actually means genuine or someone who is just a scratched lib brown-shirt doing a drive-by. So many out there.
In terms of squandering organization; I don’t think so. I’ll calm down probably after today and I’ll go back to posting memes, content pieces, etc. In real life I’ve been getting to know my community, or at least the neighbors around me, more and more and have reconnected with a few friends who’ve been curious about alternatives post-election; which has been a surprising feeling. Like I’ve said, I’ve had more success with clueless trumpers than I’ve had with ignorant, smug liberals who are going full fourth reich post-election.
For you brilliant commenters reacting angrily, this doesn’t represent actual views. /r/UnethicalLifeProTips is satire.
EDIT: Well it’s supposed to be satire, anyway. I won’t claim it’s succeeding.
Ironic Brownshirting is just Brownshirting with less confidence.
I didn’t post it, I’m just explaining what I think the author intended. But I certainly don’t agree with them. I come from an immigrant family that fled the original brownshirts.
Yeah, I understand this post is not reflective of your own views. I’m just pointing out that fascist rhetoric starts our pretty cagey, or by being edgy as a way of testing the water before jumping in. I read through some of those comments and this really isn’t satire, the resentment, anger and blame is authentic. It’s thinly veiled racism, at best.
Ah, thanks. I agree now that I’ve gotten more context.
I was a bit on edge because some jerk tried calling me a racist for suggesting maybe this isn’t the fascism it looks like (sadly, turns out it is). So I thought perhaps you were calling me a brownshirt, which is a particularly nasty insult against people of my origin.
I’m sorry, I could have been more concise. I didn’t mean for that comment to come across as an accusation toward you. I think we’re all pretty fried watching this endless fascist nightmare, and I’ll admit being pretty sensitive about anything that looks like apologia toward this shit, too. It can take some real patience and mental discipline sometimes ; )
Whew. 100% to all that. Cheers and hang in there, friend.
For this brilliant fucking idiot that I’m responding too; satire isn’t planting suggestions into the heads of disgruntled liberals to attack marginalized people even while you do so with your tongue in your cheek.
Eat shit.
“satire” is when you say out loud your sociopathic thoughts and get epic updoots for it. The posts on ULPT are, as i understand it, humorously unethical means of achieving an objective which is socially acceptable to desire. In this case, the apparently socially acceptable desire is the removal of the minorities who we are deciding to blame for the election result. Note that this is different from the desire to win the election, the election has already passed - this is pure vindictiveness.
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I didn’t claim it was good satire. That’s just the supposed purpose of that subreddit. I personally think this is pretty pathetic.
Where’s the satire here?
I shouldn’t be shocked that these have raked thousands of upvotes, but I am.
Ok, apparently there are actual hateful idiots in that thread. You didn’t share that part previously. Not too shocking though. That’s why I don’t use reddit.
Oh cool! Topped off with some racism!
@Deconceptualist@lemm.ee Very satirical funny racism. You fucking pathetic worm.
I get it, I get the feeling but if we want to think about organizing calling people pathetic worms is not going to help
Drive-by comments from these types are not the ones we’re gonna reach through. I’ve had more luck with my Trump neighbors than these types (made a post a while back and had more progress since then). They’re ignorant, smug and straight up having a meltdown over on Reddit right now; where this is from. It’s full fourth reich over there. Someone defending this is definitely not type to organize with.
I was having a decent conversation with another lib from lemmee; different than this type.
You seem to be both forgetting their perceved stakes, and more importantly you seem to be casting people off over relitivly minor. We dont have the luxury of deciding who we should or should not convert, they entered into the grad, we should work to bring them over rather than drive the wedge farther. I am not sure when the cool and hip thing was to carpet bag anyone who passes by, but thats going to convert noone, thats going to educate no one
Fair enough I suppose. I’ve had quite a few hostile experiences as of recent; my bad for bringing them over. Not sure why you perceive it as a “cool and hip” thing though, I was having a relatively decent conversation, as I said, with another lib. There are some I can stomach, some I can’t. Satirical racism, as a joke, is something I can choose to not associate myself with…better yet, I can get really fucking pissed at it. Same thing with those who defend it; because the whole thing…like the whole post (in unethicallifetips) even if it’s MEANT to be a joke or not is still really fucking gross.
So, I think I can at least get real fucking pissed at that. But understandably, I did have a bit of venom to it. Also. They literally came in being hostile “To the brilliant…”
I do not disagree that it is something that is angering and that you SHOULD be livid about you should. I am mostly worried that we are going to squander what is likely our best chance to organize, this is also a large tendency I have seen of pushing people away.
But what I see happening in the next few months is that we will be able to get blue team liberals after the sting of loss ends some of them will be receptive to new ideas because they will not be fed that everything is good, however we will be unable to do that if we have already alenated them all now. I can also start to see us able to get the red team liberals as trumps miriaculous economy turnaround fails to develop, agian assuming we do not alianate them now
I don’t snap at libs very often (twice since the election, which I’ll explain); which was the point of me bringing up my other civil conversation. Specific things like that make me want to, it’s just that post-election tensions have been running high and I’ve pretty much been filled with hatred at some of the fair-weather dems. I also had a few friends who went full scratch (one literally sent me a stonetoss meme) so the noticeable right-ward shift that I’ve seen just has me on edge. I was vitriolic and venomous, I get it and I do apologize about that.
I could be wrong too, maybe it is someone who might see more left-leaning views in the future. God knows I used to say dumb shit (14 year old lolbertarian at one point), but looking back now I’m also glad I had people to voice their abject disgust or tell me to fuck off instead of trying to make it seem acceptable by “negotiating” or “tolerating” it. That’s just me though, I can see your point otherwise.
It’s really hard to tell who actually means genuine or someone who is just a scratched lib brown-shirt doing a drive-by. So many out there.
In terms of squandering organization; I don’t think so. I’ll calm down probably after today and I’ll go back to posting memes, content pieces, etc. In real life I’ve been getting to know my community, or at least the neighbors around me, more and more and have reconnected with a few friends who’ve been curious about alternatives post-election; which has been a surprising feeling. Like I’ve said, I’ve had more success with clueless trumpers than I’ve had with ignorant, smug liberals who are going full fourth reich post-election.