lesser evil calculus where it’s literally just n compared to n+1 is so unhinged like, this is not a meaningful measurement. if the harris admin promised to kill 200000 and maim one where the trump admin promised to kill 200001 are we making a difference here? kill 200000 and leave one on life support? what are we doing here. it’s so bleak 
i made the mistake of clicking on a r/news post today about a man in Algeria who killed a swiss tourist while screaming “this is for palestine” or something.
top comments were all hideous. one of them was “look what that guy did now they’ll have to kill thousands more palestinians because of him” and it was just so fucking bleak. it wasn’t a leftist making a statement it was someone celebrating. they were all celebrating ramping up of the genocide because of one unhinged person
racist comments from top to bottom. stuff that if it was about any other culture or ethnicity it would be instantly shut down and mass deleted
it was complete silence when the landlord murdered the palestinian mother and child. he was just “mentally unwell”.
i want to believe it’s all chatbots trained on hasbara talking points but i know there are living, breathing westerners behind most of it
“I want to believe it’s all chatbots trained on hasbara talking points but i know there are living, breathing westerners behind most of it”
basically the same thing except westerners are trained chatbots made out of flesh most of them at least
“We should improve society somewhat.”
“You childish simpleton. The best we can do is one less body in the mass grave.”
I feel its more like
“we should improve society somewhat”
“what do you mean, you simpleton, every single body in the mass grave adds up and this is one less, its simple math! nobody understands politics like me, the politics understander”
i guess that’s basically what you said but i like my way better
i guess that’s basically what you said but i like my way better
Me too.
Heartache is powerful, but democracy is subtle. Incrementally, you begin to notice a change in the weather. When it snows, the flakes are softer when they stick to your worry-worn forehead. When it rains, the rain is warmer. Democracy is coming to the Administrative Region. The ideals of Dolorian humanism are reinstating themselves. How can they not? These are the ideals of the Coalition and the Moralist International. Those guys are signal blue. And they’re not only good – they’re also powerful. What will it be like, once their nuanced plans have been realized?
The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don’t really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child’s toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn’t change – not even incremental change. It is control. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.
Heartache is powerful, but democracy is subtle. Incrementally, you begin to notice a change in the weather. When it snows, the flakes are softer when they stick to your worry-worn forehead. When it rains, the rain is warmer. Democracy is coming to the Administrative Region. The ideals of Dolorian humanism are reinstating themselves. How can they not? These are the ideals of the Coalition and the Moralist International. Those guys are signal blue. And they’re not only good – they’re also powerful. What will it be like, once their nuanced plans have been realized?
The second quote has been quoted often but this first one really, really rings true to the wine liberal experience, especially the “nuance” and the “good/powerful” association.
Yeah, I felt it would be very appropriate here.
Call me a redfash tankie but maybe we should not do genocide regardless of scale, clearly I’m being too idealist.
it’s not genocide
and if it is, it’s by accident
and if it isn’t, they deserved it
CW: Doomerism
spoiler
Genuinely instructive to watch Holocaust denial constructed in real time. I mean we’ve had a shitload of genocide denial in my lifetime, past, present, and even hypothetical, but watching the various propagandas of a full scale final solution in real time has tested so many various hypothesis of holocaust denial and left only the “They know.” ones on the table. I’m more interested in ends than motivation because it’s just easier to test hypothesis of ends in history (including contemporary history), and yet. . . I find myself so exhausted by the question now.
It’s all so painfully banal, so “normal”. It’s one thing to know the US is a fascist empire where it feels like there is a separation between the genocide of the state and its people. When more videos of death exist than the number of dead you’re allowed to say exist, and the mask falls away from everyone you’ve ever met, and all that is left is the raging violence you occasionally witness when you forced someone to reckon with empire and they chose to embrace it.
Death to America. Death to the Great Satan, Adversary of basic human rights, dignity, and communism. Death, let there be nothing but Death. Death is all the beast understands.
I’m ~ I’m not doing great folks. And the only thing that little gremlin in my brain found for “hope”, the last woe in Pandora’s box, the ball and chain weighing the fetters of us all, is a slim possibility that if Trump wins the Libs will start pretending to be against the genocide at the US southern border again instead of doing, between two presidents, worse than every president after 1945 (I can’t prove it but I’ve spoken to survivors, dead now, who swear Zyclon gas chambers were used to kill ‘excess’ migrant workers, in addition to the historical fact of its use in “delousing showers” for general work crossing). The present genocide at our border is a historical evil that rests almost solely at Biden and Obama and their cohort’s feet. The full Holocaust of the Palestinian people, constant increasing agression, Biden endorsing a ban on trans children’s care, the military police, Big Brother tech and social media . . . I’ll stop.
Props to that lib Briahna for a great tweet though credit where credit is due
I hate it here. I am surrounded by demons
Apparently it was satire
I hope so, or else I might have to have some words with Joe
Theorem: If the difference between Harris and Hitler is less than or equal to 1/n for all positive integers n, then Harris is equal to Hitler.
Proof by contradiction: Suppose Hitler is strictly worse than Harris, then Harris < Hitler on the evil axis.
Then we have: 0 < Hitler - Harris < 1/n for all positive integers n.
Multiplying all sides by n: 0 < n(Hitler - Harris) < 1
Dividing all sides by the difference between Hitler and Harris: 0 < n < 1/(Hitler - Harris)
But that implies the set of positive integers are bounded above by 1/(Hitler - Harris). The set of integers are an inductive set, which is any set that contains the number 1 and contains x+1 for all elements x in the set. If the set of positive integers is bounded above by 1/(Hitler - Harris), then it must have a least upperbound b such that b <= 1/(Hitler - Harris). That means the set must contain some number k such that k > b-1 otherwise b-1 would be the least upperbound. But since this is an inductive set, it must contain k+1 if it contains k, and k+1 > b, proving the set of positive integers is actually unbounded and therefore Hitler = Harris.
Technically there is an infinite amount of numbers between any two numbers
What liberals can’t imagine is that Trump could actually fail to kill as many Palestinians, because he’s just that bad at foreign policy.
In their minds, what a politician promises to do and what they are going to are exactly the same. This applies to both their own preferred candidates and their opposition, they just credulously accept that they can do all the shit they promise to do.
Liberals would cheer Trump on if he was worse somehow. Like the time he launched missles at Syria and then he was suddenly a serious figure for a moment.
I was going to say this same thing.
Why is it just taken as a given that Trump will be worse on this?
I don’t see why he wouldn’t be, he was the President.
Sure, nothing like Oct 7 and Israel’s response came up during him but as others have said Trump’s policies did contribute to it.
Whether Trump will be just as bad or worse is not relevant. What matters is that Biden (and Harris) have allowed the genocide.
Honestly, such reasoning applies more to Harris, “she has never been the President, maybe it’s just rhetoric”. The only point for Trump is that “he’s incompetent”
I’d say on foreign policy alone Trump is a potential minor improvement.
Trump has no political loyalty beyond himself. He could absolutely be convinced to pressure Israel depending on the media cycle. 99/100 he’d end up being about the same but there’s always the off chance that his idiocy leads to a good outcome. Something like demanding other NATO states contribute to Israel and then blowing it all up when none of them do. He’s unintentionally contributed to de-dollerization and a weakened America Empire.
Harris knows exactly how the sausage is made and she’s an full-throated supporter. She will never have a better outcome because she is ideologically committed to the worst outcome.
Also Trump opted for symbolic “Drop the MOAB” rather than war, started the process for pulling out of Afghanistan, little things that, for instance Hillary Clinton openly swore she would have done WWIII instead of. Where he did cruel and evil things, the Biden admin continued them whether it’s the Wall or Space Force.
Trump had horrific rhetoric on refugees and migrants and yet who has put more in concentration camps and by how much?
Maybe it’s just incompetence, maybe it’s a more feudal lord idea of insular power hunger, whatever it is, Trump was, as president, less harmful than Obama or Biden, across the board. One could argue that Trump’s persona/character is specifically why the libs are open nazis now, and that may even be true, but Biden/Harris scares the shit out of me in a way Trump round 2 just doesn’t. Trump round 1 was a horror farce - Biden’s term has had me terrified every single day of what tomorrow may bring. Also the chuds around me have gotten more physically dangerous than annoying and I went in the closet for the first time in my life over it.
Obligatory: Of course I’m not voting for trump. If I were to vote it’d be PSL, because they rock, but I live in BFE and frankly can’t be bothered to waste a day’s pay on gas and also miss a day’s pay to go do a symbolism in goddamn Texas.
P.s. I also don’t wanna vote after the mailers/texts “We know whether you vote, if not for who. Be a Good American™” Fuck off with that empty threat.
They really have no desire to gain power outside voting. Pathetic cowards.
And similarly, they have no desire to utilise that power except for its own sake. They don’t want to change the world. They’re liberals. By definition they’re fine with the status quo.
This is the basic logic that would lead Skynet to murdering all humans.
They have all kinds of antisemitism in this single zionist package.
i wonder if you ask these “lesser of two evils” sorts, if they saw two people- one kicking one puppy, and one kicking two puppies, would they help the guy who’s only kicking one puppy to kick the puppy more since he’s “not as bad” as the guy kicking two puppies, or would they try to help the puppies instead of the guys kicking them? i assume they would say help the puppies. it’s weird to me if you pose this question about actual humans being murdered right now they don’t see that.
it’s weird to me if you pose this question about actual humans being murdered right now they don’t see that
You assume they’re operating in good faith; these people would call those awesome folks sabotaging factories that make bomb and fighter jet parts terrorists. These people don’t actually care about Palestinians.
The less bad answer is that for some reason the believe this is just rhetoric and their isn’t really a genocide or something.
But they’re probably just jockeying for a nice spot in the cuck pit
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