• Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    15
    ·
    27 days ago

    Wealth, these studies find, often stays within rich families across multiple generations.

    I was told again and again in my school by my history teacher that generational wealth doesn’t work, and that spoiled kids become poor in a generation or two.

    This was related to justifying our economic system.

    So… it was always just a lie?

  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    16
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    28 days ago

    Almost every European alive is a descendant of Charlemagne.

    That’s just how generational expansion works when you have 16 great-grandparents.

    It’s honestly weirder that there’s a relatively few number of proven descendants, I suppose many family fortunes were lost as the fallout of the war, making most of the remaining descendants of factory owners and slumlords instead.

    • jagged_circle@feddit.nl
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      27 days ago

      I’m pretty sure that most black US Americans are not descendents of slaveholders.

      The point isnt about how generational expansion works, its that we still have systemically racist economics that prevent former slaves from escaping serfdom and having any real wealth themselves

  • anon6789@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    11
    ·
    28 days ago

    Using genealogist-verified historical data and financial data from annual congressional disclosures, we examined members of the 117th Congress, which was in session from January 2021 to January 2023.

    Of its 535 members, 100 were descendants of slaveholders, including Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell.

    Legislators whose ancestors were large slaveholders – defined in our study as owning 16 or more slaves– have a current median net worth five times larger than their peers whose ancestors were not slaveholders: $5.6 million vs. $1.1 million. These results remained largely the same after accounting for age, race and education.

    Wealth, these studies find, often stays within rich families across multiple generations. Mechanisms for holding onto wealth include low estate taxes and access to elite social networks and schools. Easy entry into powerful jobs and political influence also play a part.

    But members of Congress do not just inherit wealth and advantages.

    They shape the lives of all Americans. They decide how to allocate federal funds, set tax rates and create regulations.

    This power is significant. And for those whose families benefited from slavery, it can perpetuate economic policies that maintain wealth inequality.

    Beyond inherited wealth, the legacy of slavery endures in policies enacted by those in power – by legislators who may be less likely to prioritize reforms that challenge the status quo.

    I’m curious the ratio of those who have had former family members that have been politicians to those that are actually political outsiders. This article points out that the status quo is less of what society as a whole wants, but rather more what a select group of families has felt has worked for them to stay in that upper echelon.

    If the South has been forced to give everything up after the war, I don’t know if it would have been any better as far as if rich Northerners actually would have just bled off the best spoils of war and still left the South impoverished, but leaving the aristocracy get away with playing things like it never happened does not seem to have been the best choice either.

    It would be interesting to see where things would be if all that wealth and land was divided up between all southerners of all races evenly, and those who lead the Confederacy had been punished. I feel many of today’s problems stem from the North turning the other cheek to the defeated South.

    • NABDad@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      28 days ago

      If the South has been forced to give everything up after the war, I don’t know if it would have been any better as far as if rich Northerners actually would have just bled off the best spoils of war and still left the South impoverished

      Except that was not what the progressive Republicans of the Union were trying to do. Not to say there wouldn’t have been profiteering, but I don’t think it would have been government policy.

      The unrepentant leaders of the Confederacy should have all been executed as the traitors they were, or at least stripped of their wealth. If the slave owners who started the war had been punished the way they should have been, their wealth and land would have been used to raise up poor southerners: both free white southerners and former slaves.

      However, while Andrew Johnson did not side with the secessionists, he was an ally of the South and was unwilling to truly try to undo the evil slavery had caused.

      I believe if Lincoln had not been assassinate, the South would have ended up with a much more equitable society. As it is, we still live with the curse of the devil’s bargain that the founding fathers made.

      • anon6789@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        28 days ago

        Agree with you wholeheartedly!

        While it wouldn’t have been policy, with the spoils system still remaining, plus what all rich people get away with at any point in history, I feel there still would have been some choice bits taken for the North, but if it was given to all now free Southerners, I would hope civil rights and racial equality would be decades ahead of where we are now.

        The only counterpoint is that while Germany was punished pretty hard after 2 wars, they are still more far right than I think many would hope in even less time than we are now from the US Civil War…

  • jagged_circle@feddit.nl
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    12
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    27 days ago

    Many people of color are still slaves in US prisons.

    I wonder how many of these descendents of slaveholders are still profiting of US slavery

    • yesman@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      27 days ago

      Forced labor in prisons is not equivalent to chattel slavery. It’s not even a race-based institution as you suggest since over half of the prisoners are white. (I understand POC are over-represented, I’m just pointing out that chattel slavery was exclusively for black people)

      In other words, I’m from corporate and I’m asking you to tell the difference between these two pictures:

      • jagged_circle@feddit.nl
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        27 days ago

        The US routinely tortures and starves prisoners. I don’t see how keeping someone in solitary confinement for years (sometimes decades) isn’t as bad as slavery 200 years ago.

      • jagged_circle@feddit.nl
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        27 days ago

        over half the prisons are white

        Thats disingenuous. You need to look at arrests and convictions, not just current prison populations.

  • Media Bias Fact Checker@lemmy.worldB
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    28 days ago
    The Conversation - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)

    Information for The Conversation:

    MBFC: Least Biased - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: Very High - Australia
    Wikipedia about this source

    Search topics on Ground.News

    https://theconversation.com/many-wealthy-members-of-congress-are-descendants-of-rich-slaveholders-new-study-demonstrates-the-enduring-legacy-of-slavery-239077

    Media Bias Fact Check | bot support

    • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      27 days ago

      For conservatives, it isn’t just ancestry. It’s their “heritage”.

      The south will rise again, y’all!

      Conservatives proudly display the traitor’s flag while trying to take the nation back to a time before the civil war. Conservatives lust for the oppression of the vulnerable. This is just who they are at their core. It’s who they’ve always been.

    • octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      27 days ago

      So, like US conservatives you have decided that sharing facts about our history and its repercussions today is somehow suggesting we should hate a particular group of people for their ancestry? Was there a section in the article I missed?

    • dogslayeggs@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      27 days ago

      I’m not seeing anything about hating people. I’m seeing the point being made that there are still lasting repercussions to slavery to this day. The wealth and power gained from being a slaver was handed down, since wealth and power are both easily handed down and easily grown.