I’m getting reports on all sides about SWERF stuff. I’m just a lowly mod and this is beyond my pay grade. I just ask that people be nice until someone with more knowledge is able to handle this situation. I don’t pretend to know the answer to this problem.
I appreciate the honesty, Mao’s “No investigation, no right to speak” is a golden rule. I really liked the redsails link Miz posted and would suggest you read it for yourself even beyond your mod duties, it sums up the way many people I’ve known who’ve escaped the industry feel in my experience.
TBH I’ve read it, but I’ve also read critiques of it. It’s really hard for me to take sides, especially as a dude who works in an office. Can people please not have a struggle session in this comm, you’re welcome to make your own post in theory or effort.
I’ve had sex with, not even escorts—I’ve gone to a brothel, Artemis, in Berlin, and had sex with the workers there.
CW discussion of SA and sex work
And I believe the “industrialized r***” comment is a reference to the claim that all sex work isremoved which, depending on who you ask, is either SWERF shit or the Only Correct Leftist Position. I don’t know if this community has had a reckoning on sex work yet so we’ll see how that goes.
Yeah whenever someone brings up the fact that he’s a John, he talks about the porn star(s?) he’s dated and talks about how it wasn’t a problem for them.
I really hope there’s no one here who’d call that “SWERF” shit, the liberal “freedom to be exploited” should be see through to communists at least dear god I hope so. Being forced to sell your body under the threat of homelessness and death is one of the highest forms of patriarchal and capitalist explotation, we can play what if about unionization or legalization but everytime that plays out in our capitalist system the global system of literal sexual slavery in this form of the pimp/prostitute dialectic is heightened to terrifying industrial extremes. A few bourgeoise talking heads that can leave the industry without fear of being killed might tell us this is the path and they may genuinely believe it, but for the sake of the hyper exploited women of the world and especially trans women the liberal “sex worker” narrative needs to be rejected in favor of the true liberation these people deserve.
Here’s a thorough takedown of Esperanza Fonseca and her org AF3IRM. It should also be noted that the same org does not only include vocal TERFs, but is funded by evangelical fundamentalists who actively fight access to abortion and trans healthcare. Like i said upthread to the chauvinist you’re replying to, the Venn diagram of SWERFs and TERFs is almost a circle and every leftist space i know that is open to SWERFs has over time devolved into a transphobic shitfest, i know trans women who’ve been physically assaulted in spaces like that. I’m not gonna sit by and let this shit infringe on this site.
thank you, I havent finished but so far this really resonates so much with me and puts a lot into words I wish I could. I really hope to share this with others because I really feel like there’s just so much on the line and it’s a disturbingly common view especially in settler spaces.
This is a sensitive issue. I care so, so much about people in this position more than I could ever convey over the internet and concerning more than I’d ever be willing to share. Why be so dismissive to someone with hate, even if misguided, towards an industry that inarguably in our current day exists through mass enslavement and gender based systemic oppression both economic and cultural?
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I’m getting reports on all sides about SWERF stuff. I’m just a lowly mod and this is beyond my pay grade. I just ask that people be nice until someone with more knowledge is able to handle this situation. I don’t pretend to know the answer to this problem.
I appreciate the honesty, Mao’s “No investigation, no right to speak” is a golden rule. I really liked the redsails link Miz posted and would suggest you read it for yourself even beyond your mod duties, it sums up the way many people I’ve known who’ve escaped the industry feel in my experience.
TBH I’ve read it, but I’ve also read critiques of it. It’s really hard for me to take sides, especially as a dude who works in an office. Can people please not have a struggle session in this comm, you’re welcome to make your own post in theory or effort.
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Please just leave this discussion to a mod or admin with more knowledge. I asked you not to have a struggling session here yet you’re still doing it.
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The pod save guys?
No, he’s talking about Hasan. From this article:
CW discussion of SA and sex work
And I believe the “industrialized r***” comment is a reference to the claim that all sex work isremoved which, depending on who you ask, is either SWERF shit or the Only Correct Leftist Position. I don’t know if this community has had a reckoning on sex work yet so we’ll see how that goes.
Ah so the “bro I am so sex positive bro, Porn is unproblematic”
Btw Berlin is infamous for the foreign trafficked sex workers exploited there. Berlin is a tourist trap for young americans.
Yeah whenever someone brings up the fact that he’s a John, he talks about the porn star(s?) he’s dated and talks about how it wasn’t a problem for them.
Ugh talk about non-reflective behavior.
I really hope there’s no one here who’d call that “SWERF” shit, the liberal “freedom to be exploited” should be see through to communists at least dear god I hope so. Being forced to sell your body under the threat of homelessness and death is one of the highest forms of patriarchal and capitalist explotation, we can play what if about unionization or legalization but everytime that plays out in our capitalist system the global system of literal sexual slavery in this form of the pimp/prostitute dialectic is heightened to terrifying industrial extremes. A few bourgeoise talking heads that can leave the industry without fear of being killed might tell us this is the path and they may genuinely believe it, but for the sake of the hyper exploited women of the world and especially trans women the liberal “sex worker” narrative needs to be rejected in favor of the true liberation these people deserve.
you might like https://redsails.org/on-the-sex-trade/ it makes some similar points
Yes, because it’s written by a SWERF.
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Here’s a thorough takedown of Esperanza Fonseca and her org AF3IRM. It should also be noted that the same org does not only include vocal TERFs, but is funded by evangelical fundamentalists who actively fight access to abortion and trans healthcare. Like i said upthread to the chauvinist you’re replying to, the Venn diagram of SWERFs and TERFs is almost a circle and every leftist space i know that is open to SWERFs has over time devolved into a transphobic shitfest, i know trans women who’ve been physically assaulted in spaces like that. I’m not gonna sit by and let this shit infringe on this site.
thank you for the link, I appreciate more perspective as this is not an area I have a lot of exposure to
thank you, I havent finished but so far this really resonates so much with me and puts a lot into words I wish I could. I really hope to share this with others because I really feel like there’s just so much on the line and it’s a disturbingly common view especially in settler spaces.
Oh so SWERF shit.
Also, what is your response to Marx on this?
This is a sensitive issue. I care so, so much about people in this position more than I could ever convey over the internet and concerning more than I’d ever be willing to share. Why be so dismissive to someone with hate, even if misguided, towards an industry that inarguably in our current day exists through mass enslavement and gender based systemic oppression both economic and cultural?
Hasan