Credit Andy Singer 2024

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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      22 hours ago

      Some did, but the whole point of Israel was a place for European countries to send their Jewish populations.

      People who even if they were also ethnically Semitic, were descended from people who voluntarily left the area generations ago.

      They could have immigrated there, instead European governments just declared it was theirs now.

      Like, imagine if every American with Irish heritage were granted birthright citizenship there and the people who never left are shoved down into an ever shrinking slice of land. That’s what’s happening

      • woop_woop@lemmy.world
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        22 hours ago

        were descended from people who voluntarily left the area generations ago

        There have been forced deportations from that area for millenia. They’re talked about in the Bible and the Romans did it.

        • eacapesamsara@sh.itjust.works
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          21 hours ago

          Weird then how the majority of Palestinians are a genetically unbroken set of lineages from before the kingdoms of Israel and Judah. Some deportations from very specific areas happened, like from Jerusalem to the West Bank during Roman rule.

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            21 hours ago

            I’m not sure the point you’re trying to make…I was just pointing out that “voluntarily leaving what is now Israel” is wildly misleading and wrong

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      21 hours ago

      Which hardly matters when people are taking the homes of people living there currently and killing them. What difference does it make if some of someone’s ancestors centuries ago lived in that general part of the world?

      You could justify European colonialism in Africa under similar logic, on the grounds that since humans evolved there before spreading out to the rest of the world, all Europeans have ancestors that lived on that continent at some point in the past and would merely be “reclaiming” it.

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        21 hours ago

        Although wouldn’t kicking the Jews out of Palestine be doing exactly the same thing all over again?

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          Yep. That’s why I personally think it’s dumb to try and argue for the dissolution of Israel at this point. It’s too late. All you can do at this point is damage control and to try and find an equitable solution to the Israel-Palestine problem that gives both groups the ability to self-govern.

          It’d be like kicking all the Russians out of former USSR countries, or Chinese out of Tibet, or white people out of the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

          Israel should be held accountable for what they’ve done to the Palestinians, but I also don’t think you can reasonably expect for everyone in Israel to pack up and leave at this point.

          • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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            A one state solution doesn’t mean that everyone in Israel would have to leave. It would just mean that everyone in the region gets an equal voice in governance. Many people would probably choose to leave, in the same way many people left South Africa when their system of apartheid ended.

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            20 hours ago

            Yeah, I believe the two state solution is probably the most logical

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          I don’t know if I’ve seen anyone arguing for that. Even the people wanting to get rid of the state of Israel aren’t usually wanting to remove the people. Prior to Israel forming, Jews and Muslims lived together in relative peace and harmony. They still do in many places.

          The issue comes when one group is told that the land belongs to them specifically, or that the other group is inferior or evil. I don’t think removing Israel is a solution at this point, but it does need to fundamentally change. I don’t see a possibility for an ethno-state to not create these ideas. It needs to just become a state, not a state for jews specifically.

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      20 hours ago

      Pretty sure Leif Eriksson landed in Vinland before Columbus landed in the Bahamas.

      In other words, I’ll be formulating a proposal to Mette-Mink to reclaim what only can belong to the (once) glorious Denmark!

    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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      The Jewish settlers didn’t live in Palestine, they lived in Europe and then moved to Palestine to steal the land. They’re white.

      Just because one ancestor a dozen generations ago lived somewhere doesn’t mean you have a right to evict the actual people living on that land.

      • EvilHaitianEatingYourCat@lemmy.world
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        20 hours ago

        I don’t agree on wording in the first paragraph, but do agree with the second paragraph.

        What now? Evicting all 8 millions of Israeli to make Hamas happy?

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          20 hours ago

          How about ending apartheid and making a multiethnic, multi-religious democratic state from the river to the sea? Israelis can become Palestinian, they don’t need to leave.

          • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            How about ending apartheid and making a multiethnic, multi-religious democratic state from the river to the sea? Israelis can become Palestinian, they don’t need to leave.

            have you ever seen an israeli or a palestinian?

            Neither like eachother. And honestly for good reasons. Good luck with that idea.

            TL;DR this is basically like going “why dont the USSR and US just become one state” during the cold war.