All the historical evidence for Jesus in one room

  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.worldOP
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    1 year ago

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    Very well. You must believe in ghosts.

    Simply because we lack proper primary sources concerning Jesus from during his lifetime does not mean that he never existed.

    It also means that we can’t assert that he did. We do have evidence however that he didn’t exist. The accounts all differ and are convenient for those spreading it. So while I can’t disprove him or ghosts I can point to the people making money off ghost hunting shows.

    Additionally, those who would care most about the existence of Jesus couldn’t care less about historical proof; they’ve already accepting everything on faith.

    If you mean modern people: Just because other people have a low bar doesn’t mean we have to.

    If you mean people at the time: that is convenient. Suspiciously so.

    but it’s a meaningless hill to die on.

    I disagree.

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      1 year ago

      You are in a bad spot here.

      1. Your argument is poorly formed and not a very valuable one to fight for.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

      1. Your argument shows a distinct lack of awareness of how history is analyzed and measured for authenticity.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_criticism

      1. You are being extremely aggressive about a thing you are simply wrong about.

      It doesn’t even take that long to find credible sources to demonstrate that denying the historicity of Jesus is the fringe theory.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

      This is a meaningless hill to die on. You are simply wrong and you should move on to things that are actually valuable.

      Edit: and the first comment even linked how you are wrong and you still want to fight this battle???

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          1 year ago

          I already provided evidence for my position. If you would like to provide references that refute the Wikipedia pages on these topics I will be happy to read them.

          • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.worldOP
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            1 year ago

            Dumping a link is not providing evidence. Let’s start with something basic:

            Please show me a single contemporary record of his life or even a single record of someone after his death who personally saw something.

            Not what someone heard, not a fifty year old oral account, not a Bayesian analysis. A direct peice of evidence. Which should be really easy for you to provide since the gospels make it clear that he was famous.

            When you find that piece of evidence let me know.

            • fkn@lemmy.worldM
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              1 year ago

              That’s not how this works. Go gish gallop elsewhere.

              To refute your only relevant point in this post:

              Dumping a link is not providing evidence.

              I made a claim and I linked a specific article as a source.

              You are making a fringe claim. Even if you were an expert, which you are not, the claim you are making is a fringe argument.

              I backed that position up with a specific article (which also has sources) explicitly stating backing up my position.

              If you have a relevant source refuting this, I will happily continue this discussion.

              • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.worldOP
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                1 year ago

                Right so if you could just point out the evidence instead of link dropping that would be great. Something like a single eyewitness account written during the time he was alive. You do have evidence for your claim, yes?

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                  1 year ago

                  Once again, I already provided evidence for my claim. What about my evidence is unsatisfactory?

                  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.worldOP
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                    1 year ago

                    You really didn’t. You link dumped but whatever.

                    I want a contemporary record of the man. Someone alive when the events went down and wrote down that they saw Jesus.