https://sh.itjust.works/post/4274675

To this I say, no. As a community, we do not deny proven genocides, like the holocaust, or the genocide against indigenous Americans by various European colonizers, or the genocide against the Congolese by Belgium, or the Bengal famine that was carried out by the British empire. In fact, denying those genocides will get you banned, here. However: we are also aware of a tendency of nations to project their crimes onto others, and to manufacture atrocity propaganda to justify overthrowing or destroying rival governments… like Libya in 2011:

From Washington Bullets by Vijay Prashad (a great book I highly recommend)

A post from Michael Parenti regarding the destruction of Libya by NATO-backed reactionaries

A headline shortly after Libya’s destruction by NATO-backed reactionaries

The US government has been reenacting the fable of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, and has been cynically leveraging the very serious accusation of genocide against its geopolitical enemies. This is the source of skepticism on Xinjiang. And this is not a new strategy, yes, the Holodomor, which everyone in the US has been taught to take seriously lately, is a nazi fabrication first spread to the United States in the works of Robert Conquest. Why would the USSR deliberately starve a fellow socialist Republic? Why would Stalin, a Georgian, have some kind of Russian chauvinist grudge against Ukrainians? Why would Lenin (Donbass), Stalin (Lviv), and Khruschev (Crimea) all expand the territory of the Ukrainian SSR while also trying to kill off the people inside of it? Why would the USSR ethnically cleanse Ukrainains while simultaneously sending food aid to the starving British colony in Bengal? Natural famines and crop failures were spun by the nazis into atrocity propaganda. Also, a state does not have to be perfect to be defended against false accuations. I think China is far from perfect, but the burden of proof is on the United States to prove its accusations (which have changed in scope several times) regarding Xinjiang. Delegations from Muslim majority nations visiting Xinjiang do not agree with the United States that there is a genocide of the Uyghur people. There is however an attempt to reeducate extremist groups like ETIM. Reeducating extremists might seem a harsh government policy, but I assure you it is a better way of dealing with religious fundamentalism than drone striking weddings or air striking hospitals like the USA did in Afghanistan.

  • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    21·
    1 year ago

    it’s actually from lemmygrad. don’t really care about hexbear. you can insult me as much as you want, my comrade, makes no difference to me.

    • Othello [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      56·
      1 year ago

      well it should matter. how people treat you matters. maybe your spending too much time in these hate filled spaces, people should be kind to each other, you should be in a space where that is expected. and Lemmy.grad is our sister site and I care for them. plus ever since federation many users have been harassed including sexually harassed. Im not saying your post are sending them here but there are people on the internet who see it as a moral imperative to cause distress to our users, mostly our fem users. once you label someone and dehumanize them in your mind you can do anything to them. and thats whats been done to this community. you dont even see us as human beings just “tankies” to attack. maybe you could try to not spread negativity that has the potential to insight harm. I hope you really take this into consideration. plus if were all just teenage larper like yall say whats the harm? theres no real world impact if youre right. leave us be.

      • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        11·
        1 year ago

        In this thread users are calling me racist.

        you can drop that whole holier-than-thou bullshit lol

        • Othello [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          43·
          1 year ago

          well considering you have been harassing us and our friends and you are being racist thats seems fair. what else could you expect. part of being the one of the least racist places on the internet is not tolerating racism. i dont think its wrong or hostile to call someone being racist a racist. also I should have clarified that you shouldn’t expect hostility (unless you are being hostile first). the point still stands, that you are so unnecessarily angry and toxic by your post history. its not good, but I see empathy isnt going to work here.

          • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            11·
            1 year ago

            bruh you harassed me first lmao. and I’m not racist.

            in fact, you’re offending me right now, and making me VERY uncomfortable. you should be kind and caring for others.

        • Grimble [he/him,they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          16·
          1 year ago

          Famously the most disrespectful thing you can do is accuse someone of racism, which happens everyday to innocent people for no reason. The smartest reaction, as we all know, is to keep vocally deflecting it and acting like you’ve been insulted.