Views on this have changed in recent years, according to Pew Research Center surveys. In 2019, 57% said people overlooking racial discrimination was the bigger problem, while 42% pointed to people seeing it where it really didn’t exist. That gap has narrowed from 15 to 8 percentage points.
These studies really need to stop asking racists if they think they’re racist.
That defeats the entire point of having a survey.
What are we hoping to learn here?
General opinion on the discourse around racism.
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It’s an interesting metric. It tells you more about the person asked than the question asked.
Do you think you’re racist? I probably am, a little bit. But I end up overthinking it, like “shit, I hope that didn’t seem racist.”
It’s such a broad term that encompasses a lot of behaviors. From micro aggressions we don’t even realize we’ve done to outright xenophobia. Maybe this metric has some value over time.
Why? It seems useful to track
Reminds me of the constant need to check in with rural voters at a diner
If these people had anything good to say they wouldn’t be in a rural diner
Those folks get to vote, too, though. So their views are relevant, no matter what you think of them.
And because of the electoral college, odds are decent that their votes count more than yours do. So actually, their views are more relevant than liberal views. Because “democracy”.
We shouldn’t ignore rural voters entirely (which I don’t think anyone is saying). I agree that they are overrepresented and that’s a major problem.
We also have places like DC and PR that basically don’t get any representation. And big states often don’t get nearly as much representation per population as small ones. The US is extremely undemocratic with how they chose to implement things.
Right!! So we keep putting them on TV to see what they think.
Yet they’re only a fraction of the population. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a segment where they interviewed urban voters. Lots of Joe the Plumber, not a lot of Jane the marketing manager
In fairness, interviewing Joe the Plumber makes for much more interesting TV. Who wants to listen to Jane the Marketing Manager? Even her ex-husband noped out of that once he realized his mistake…,
Literally my point.
Rural voter issue “Listen to the plight of the common clay of this fine land!”
Urban voter issue “nobody wants to hear it”
You know what the rural folks in my family did when they realized there were no opportunities? They moved to a fucking city
I won’t argue that, but I will simply point out that the goal of the news media is to get eyeballs, not to inform. They will go with whatever story gets eyeballs that they can then sell insurance and beer to.
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I seriously don’t understand the folks who don’t get this.
First we had slaves.
Well, some say, US slavery ended with the civil war.
Even IF it were reasonable to say that slavery ended and therefore the ripples it sent forward in time aren’t still being felt, there are two things that are true - One: We didn’t root out those who most staunchly refused to relinquish it and enact power structures to encourage equity going forward.
Well, some say, the confederate states were physically and economically destroyed by the end of the war.
And to that I say, “Andrew Johnson.”
Two: We as a nation enacted laws and social norms that turned black folks into a permanent underclass, and have been dogwhistling about it for a century.
Well, some say, No we didn’t.
Yes, we did. Jim Crow, separate but equal, the origin of most controversial confederate monuments and statues, the very existence of Sundown Towns, and The Negro Motorist’s Green Book, the foundation of the State of Oregon, and events such as the Tulsa race massacre, are all factual details about our country.
These inflection points on our nation’s psyche persisted at least through the passage of the civil rights act, and some feel Sundown Towns exist even today. These laws and social norms influenced legislative policy, police and justice department culture, and generations of Americans - both white and black people.
To deny that there is still an impact today seems willfully ignorant.
Why not both?
Edit: Didn’t see that it was also a question of which is the greater problem. Overlooking is the greater problem.
In surveys like this, I find it most useful to look at what Black people think, you know? Since they’re the ones getting shot by the cops? I’m as interested in white conservatives’ views on racism as the Taliban’s views on feminism.
Words with contested meanings are also really hard to get info on through surveys. Some people are thinking structural racism, and some are thinking “public accommodations are integrated, what more could be needed.” Of course they’re going to answer differently. They’re effectively answering different questions.
The average MAGA does both.
There is little division on Lemmy.
So many clowns on this site want to see racism where it doesn’t exist that being race-baited is their pastime.
Nothing makes me madder than people trying to right historic injustice and make a better, more inclusive world for everyone.
I wish people would stop making me pay attention to the systemic oppression of minorities; as a white guy, I’m pretty sure we solved racism.
“Sesame Street in the 90’s told me racism was solved and I never actually asked anyone if their lives were better.”
right historic injustice
Say it the right way you coward…
You want to foolishly “solve” racism with reverse-racism.
But of course reverse-racism is just code for racism toward whites. Which is simply racism.
Say it right and stop hiding behind some altruistic bullshit. Of course the only thing that reverse-racism does is create more hatred, more animosity, which ultimately breeds more racism.
Congrats, you clown, you just fell for what the elites want you to fall for… a race war.
Oh, you misunderstood me; I agree with you!
I hate forced introspection, and I’m proud of white people for fixing racism. We did it! Fuck the elites making us pretend like there are still historic injustices to correct! Reverse racism is the real issue that we should focus on now. We white people have been shit on for long enough!!
I’m just glad to have found another enlightened individual to discuss this with!
I’m just sick of being labeled racist just because I’m white. When I was younger I didn’t give a shit and would speak to anyone and everyone but now after years of being told I am racist I find myself not speaking to or very carefully choosing my words before speaking to anyone that is not white. So in the end the constant accusations have turned me racist because I am changing my words and actions based on race.
I’m white and have never been accused of being racist. It’s something you’re doing, it’s not the color of your skin.
Yep I’m a white dude as well, never been called racist in my life. Probably because I don’t do or say racist shit. It’s not very difficult.
No, it’s probably the people they’re talking to. I’m White and I’ve never been accused of racism by anyone that knows me, but I’ve been told by plenty of overzealous “SJW”-types that my privileged position in society makes me inherently racist, even if I don’t harbor any overtly racist views. Likewise, I’ve been called a “racist cracker” when I’ve simply refused to give someone change on the street when asked for it. Being racist has become a kind of White stereotype in our culture. I totally understand what the other poster is talking about. Sure, maybe it is something they’re doing, but I could easily see it not being that.
So, in your scenario, person gets called names by a few ignorant people and flips to full on racist?
I think it’s more likely they were already racist and getting their feelings hurt allows them to justify it.
No, that’s not what I’m saying at all. I can’t even figure out how you got that from what I was saying, and I’m not going to wreck my brain about a comment that seems on its face to be in bad faith to begin with.
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They could also be one of those people who thinks talking about racism of any form means that automatically all white people are the ones being racist and that helping specifically anyone of any specific race is racist against white people.
Yeah, wow, a stranger on the internet could be a lot of things. Let’s assume the worst, just because it fits with our personal racist biases!
speak to anyone and everyone but now after years of being told I am racist
Were you saying racist shit?
I’m guessing you are one of those “I’m not racist, I hate everyone” assholes. Which is a long way of saying "I’m racist, but it doesn’t count because I’m a jerk to my friends (who are all white).
My uncle doesn’t think he’s racist, meanwhile the few days he stayed with me I heard the N word more times than I’ve heard others say it in the past 10 years. He used it not only to describe people but instead of the word black to describe the color of objects. I’m guessing having to rethink what they mean really means they don’t say the n word around black people but are being called out by white people they feel they should be able to get away with it around.
When I was younger I didn’t give a shit and would speak to anyone and everyone but now after years of being told I am racist I find myself not speaking to or very carefully choosing my words before speaking to anyone that is not white. So in the end the constant accusations have turned me racist because I am changing my words and actions based on race.
I’m in my 50s. When I became aware that many PoC might have reason to view my actions differently than intended, I took that as a sign to be mindful of my biases, and to think about the possibility that I could be using words and phrases that I grew up believing to be fine, but which could be hurtful to the people around me.
To my knowledge, I’ve never been labeled a racist.
You do you though.
