I really strongly disagree with characterizing these as “a bunch of dommes.” Here’s an image I found from some random sports anime (I did not look very hard so it may not be the best example, but it’ll do)
You can see their expressions: smug, confident, and cocky. But you would not (well, I would not) ever think to call them sexualized, let alone that they’re evocative of BDSM. And I can’t help but think that the difference has to do with gender. A man being smug and cocky is normal and natural, nothing remarkable or out of place about it. But a woman with a similar expression is percieved as thereby occupying a sexual role. That comes across to me as saying that female confidence belongs only in the bedroom, it must be for the benefit of a man who finds it arousing. I find this to be a very sexist implication.
I don’t doubt that the artist, being (iirc) a lesbian who draws erotica, included some elements that she found attractive, either intentionally or out of habit. But merely being attractive is not the same as being sexualized. As I’ve said and will keep saying, I think they’re just sporty. And I don’t consider attractive, sporty, confident women to be inherently sexual, much less evocatice of BDSM, which again, I think has sexist implications to suggest.
Well, I guess that’s also a question of what is meant by intent. I don’t think that the artist made an effort to ensure that people would not find them arousing, but I also don’t think they were primarily drawn for that purpose. Not every element of art is a conscious decision, and I’m not really inclined to speculate about it. Objectification and sexualization can be present regardless of the artist’s conscious intent.
I’ve accepted the single point that Russia’s pose is somewhat sexualized, but other than that, I don’t agree with any other point of your analysis. Ofc it’s pretty subjective, but I just don’t see it, and honestly I think the idea of “female confidence is inherently sexual” feels more and more to me like it underlies a lot of that perspective, and I just want to reiterate that I really strongly object to labelling them as “dommes,” which aside from the sexist undertones I mentioned, it’s also exactly the sort of thing I was talking about in my original comment asking people to chill. Even if there are some mildly suggestive elements, characterizing the art as fetishistic is an absurd overstatement and overreaction. Tbh I find this sort of discourse over what looks to me like an extremely normal drawing of women to be pretty alienating and kinda gross.
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I really strongly disagree with characterizing these as “a bunch of dommes.” Here’s an image I found from some random sports anime (I did not look very hard so it may not be the best example, but it’ll do)
You can see their expressions: smug, confident, and cocky. But you would not (well, I would not) ever think to call them sexualized, let alone that they’re evocative of BDSM. And I can’t help but think that the difference has to do with gender. A man being smug and cocky is normal and natural, nothing remarkable or out of place about it. But a woman with a similar expression is percieved as thereby occupying a sexual role. That comes across to me as saying that female confidence belongs only in the bedroom, it must be for the benefit of a man who finds it arousing. I find this to be a very sexist implication.
I don’t doubt that the artist, being (iirc) a lesbian who draws erotica, included some elements that she found attractive, either intentionally or out of habit. But merely being attractive is not the same as being sexualized. As I’ve said and will keep saying, I think they’re just sporty. And I don’t consider attractive, sporty, confident women to be inherently sexual, much less evocatice of BDSM, which again, I think has sexist implications to suggest.
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Well, I guess that’s also a question of what is meant by intent. I don’t think that the artist made an effort to ensure that people would not find them arousing, but I also don’t think they were primarily drawn for that purpose. Not every element of art is a conscious decision, and I’m not really inclined to speculate about it. Objectification and sexualization can be present regardless of the artist’s conscious intent.
I’ve accepted the single point that Russia’s pose is somewhat sexualized, but other than that, I don’t agree with any other point of your analysis. Ofc it’s pretty subjective, but I just don’t see it, and honestly I think the idea of “female confidence is inherently sexual” feels more and more to me like it underlies a lot of that perspective, and I just want to reiterate that I really strongly object to labelling them as “dommes,” which aside from the sexist undertones I mentioned, it’s also exactly the sort of thing I was talking about in my original comment asking people to chill. Even if there are some mildly suggestive elements, characterizing the art as fetishistic is an absurd overstatement and overreaction. Tbh I find this sort of discourse over what looks to me like an extremely normal drawing of women to be pretty alienating and kinda gross.