When H5N1 avian influenza started spreading among dairy cattle across the U.S. this year, regulators warned against consuming unpasteurized milk. What happened? Raw milk sales went up.

Distributors of this unsafe-for-human-consumption product deny H5N1—which has the potential to sicken millions of people—is a danger. Dairy farmers decline to allow disease detectives onto their properties.

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    So, when this finally jumps species, will we continue the tradition of naming a virus after its origin?

    MAGA Influenza or maybe the Florida Flu?

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    I just bought 10 80-packs of toilet paper. $426.50. I should be fine now.

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      I got a shattaf (handheld bidet sprayer) at the start of the last pandemic. It’s incredible. It’s easy to install for a renter, and is so much cleaner than tp. Only downside is it’s cold water unless you run a second line from your sink’s hot water line.

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        I always wanted to try one of those things, but I don’t want to install one. I also want one with a remote control that has a range of at least 7 yards.

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          It’s super easy to install.

          Close the water feed valve, flush the toilet, disconnect the feed line from the tank, connect the Y adapter valve to the tank, reconnect the feed line, open the water valve.

          It took me ~15 minutes to install and had a towel’s worth of clean water spillage to clean up.

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            My took me about 4 hours to install. But I needed to run an outlet with a ground fault outlet for mine. But the water tap is dead easy.

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          You can get ones that auto magically lift the lid with motion sensor. Add in a heated seat and by the time you get your panties down it’s nice and cozy.

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        The way they’re usually set up here in the Nordics where they’re pretty common is that the tap feeds into that sprayer, meaning that I have to open my tap and then set it to whatever water temperature I want, and then when I… err, pull the trigger on the sprayer the water flows from the sprayer and not the tap.

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          That sounds nice. I wish they were standard in the US. Does it just connect to the faucet or does a line run into the sink cabinet?

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            I have zero idea what the terminology is in English, but it’s connected to what translates to something like an “ejector line” that’s either built into the faucet or purchasable as a separate adapter. Here’s a diagram I found for Oras Bidetta as an example:

            Here’s what it looks like under my sink (sorry about the awkward angle, didn’t want to remove a shelf so I had to shoot blind)

            With the line on the left being the one for the hand shower, and it just connects into the faucet via a built in ejector thingamajig.

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              Yes! I’ve seen those. I’m very envious. As a renter, I’m not allowed to cut the necessary hole in the sink cabinet to access the warm water line, since it’s not exposed like yours. If I owned my home, you can be sure I’d install one before I started painting. Lol

              Thank you for taking the time to find and take the photos!

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                No problem! I figured it’s easier to show a diagram and a picture than try to explain it when my plumbing terminology is shaky enough even in Finnish, let alone English 😅

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                  That’s fair. I can assure you that your English is far better than my Finnish. The only words I know are salmiakki and pulla. Although I can say that 100% of the words I know are delicious. LMAO

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        The bidet is the way. I’ve used one for so long that I hardly ever notice the cold water.

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          I bought a bidet with all the goodies - heated seat, heated water, heated air drier, charcoal air filtration, select-able sprays from elderly/small child gentle to peel the paint off your arse, and automatic seat raising. All temperatures can be adjusted to your personal comfort.

          Worth every penny…Trump can keep his gold plated toilet. I crap like a King!

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      I got 80 acres of red pine and birch trees. I’m selling toilet paper Log Kitstm ~Some Assembly Required~

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    “American” contrariness, scientificametican? Really? You sure you can’t narrow it down more than everyone who’s an American?

    Not even a little bit?

    Well, then fuck you. Because we both know exactly who you’re talking about.

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      Yeah, Americans. As much as i disagree with Republicans on things, they’re still Americans.

      Our educational system, our economic and our social systems have failed them and led them to unscientific contrary positions.

      We need to find ways to bridge that gap and stop things like this without it being a political issue.

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        We need to find ways to bridge that gap and stop things like this without it being a political issue.

        When the problem is political in nature I really don’t see how it’d be beneficial to pretend like it’s not

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          If people understood germ theory, it wouldn’t be an issue. Instead, we spend a lot of time in high school biology on hydras, for example. Hydras are cool, reproduction by budding is weird, but maybe that time would have been better spent on some history of plagues and their impact on society?

          With better education half our population would not be so easily manipulated into bad choices.

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            Instead, we spend a lot of time in high school biology on hydras … maybe that time would have been better spent on some history of plagues

            I think there’s a different class that might be better suited to discussing past plagues lol

            On a serious note, I get what you mean. I think classes need to be more integrated on their lessons, so like the science class is discussing the mechanics of how diseases reproduce at the same time history class is covering past epidemics, while the social studies class covers how systemic injustice worsened epidemics for the poor and minorities.

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            Well, I don’t know. Finland has – or rather had until very recently, thanks to conservatives doing what they always do – one of the best education systems in the world and our conservatives were just about as easily manipulated into idiotic shit during COVID.

            I think the reality of the matter is that a huge chunk of the population is simply too stupid to be able to function in a modern, complex society and no amount of education can fix them.

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              Perhaps we all need more classes on media, propaganda and civics?

              Regardless, my point is this: the more we try to us/them our problems, the shittier our problems get.

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                the more we try to us/them our problems, the shittier our problems get.

                I agree to a point, but we also have to recognize that with eg. COVID and now H5Nx preparedness, the conservative mindset is a huge issue and purely driven by politics that they themselves purposefully try to polarize, by eg. outright lying about the effects of vaccines or even whether the disease was a real one or just some sort of communist plot to sap and impurify their precious bodily fluids.

                I’m not sure how something like this can be solved, when there’s a huge segment of the population who not only doesn’t believe in basic science but sees attempts at teaching it as attacks against their “values” and will sometimes react with literal violence

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                  The solution is going to be that those groups self-select for infectious death. Taking some good people with them.

                  Its just so unnecessary.

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                Perhaps we all need more classes on media, propaganda and civics?

                YES. Yes. Exactly. Or, y’know, ANY classes on those things. Civics isn’t even taught in most schools now. BECAUSE REPUBLIQANS.

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            That’s very sweet, but really not how conservative groupthink works. All for better education, though, sign me up for that.

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        Our educational system, our economic and our social systems have failed them and led them to unscientific contrary positions.

        That’s so wrong i don’t even know where to start.

        Our education, economic, and social systems have led them to plainly ignore basic common sense? No. Just, no. religion, okay, maybe.

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    The best part about the bird flu in humans is that it is not airborne. And human to human transmission is, at the moment, a rare occurrence. So only the people who refuse to take precautions should be impacted.

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      So only the people who refuse to take precautions should be impacted.

      Only if transmission between those people doesn’t result in a mutation that turns it airborne. That’s not an “if” I’d personally like to risk. To assume it will only affect those who don’t take precaution is foolish at best and cruelly disingenuous at worst.

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        And there’s a frankly scarily high likelihood that it’s not an “if” but a “when” – some forecasters like the ALERT team, who are usually fairly accurate, give H5N1 turning into a pandemic about a 25% chance in the coming decade, which would generally mean it’d successfully specialized for infecting human lung tissues.

        If or when that pandemic does happen, there’s a chance it’d be extremely bad. Estimates for the infection fatality rate (IFR) range anywhere from 1 to 80%, eg. this article estimates 14 – 33%, but this article estimates 30 – 80% for the current strains. Needless to say that even a 10% fatality rate would be disastrous, something like 20x – 50x worse than COVID. Note that the IFR is distinct from the case fatality rate (CFR) which is currently something like 50% – 80%, but those are only the cases we know of and the ones bad enough to end up in hospital, but based on eg. wastewater studies the number of total infected is probably a lot higher than the cases we’ve seen so far.

        Some estimates for eg the 1918 pandemic put its IFR at around 2% but some studies have pointed out it’s likely that that’s an underestimate, and eg. the ALERT team gives it a ~60% chance that the IFR for H5N1 would be ≥10%. Not letting this thing turn into a pandemic should be a top priority for health authorities, but nobody seems to be willing to actually take the steps needed, such as shutting down mink farms here in Finland – our extremist right-wing government is instead paying subsidies to a dying industry that centers around animal torture even though it’s a prime zoonosis candidate. And let’s not forget that H5N1 is just one of the highly pathogenic avian influenzas going around right now, although it is by far the most pressing one at the moment.

        Conservatives will always prioritize money over lives. The only consolation I have is that even though they might still lead us to potentially even hundreds of millions of needless deaths if/when this does turn into a pandemic, they’ll be the ones refusing to get vaccinated and therefore more likely to die.

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    Can we please put some kindergarten nannies in charge of that nation…?

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      I’ve seen some freaking health professionals go full anti-mask and anti-vax. Like one of my friends is an RN and she went full Facebook Karen.

      You can’t fix stupid.

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        Yeah covid revealed there are a LOT of registered nurses i do not want involved in my health care.

        Like, a lot

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          I’ve seen the same here in Finland too. What is it with nurses going off the reich wing anti-vax / anti-mask deep end?

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              Probably a nontrivial amount of wanting to feel smarter than “those know-it-all doctors with their fancy degrees” with a side of Dunning-Kruger

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        That is genuinely freaky. I mean they should know better. Like way better.

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      I don’t think you understand just how stupid my fellow country members are. We literally say “hey to prevent getting yourself and others sick, you should do these steps” making it a suggestion of reasonable things.

      the response “my freedoms are being trampled”. I fucking wish they actually were.

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        The scary thing is that that frame of mind exists elsewhere as well. But I guess it’s more of it in the US.

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          That would be some really cool data to view “how stubborn are the attitudes in different countries” and “how many personalities are stubborn in different countries”

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            I like foolhardy in this context. And a foolhardy index would be interesting.

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      republiQans. We’re talking about republiQans.

      (Okay, fine and also some nazis, Qultists, some facebook boomers, a fair few Libertarians, and some woowoo newager people.)

      But, look, just say republiQans and have done with it. “Americans” is more than too general, it’s an absolute cop-out.