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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 年前

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 年前
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      At best European nations are social liberal democracies. No European country is a socialist nation.

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          Humanity is flawed, so any of our constructions will be. But democracy is better than any alternative.

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              I mean I guess you could have a socialist or feudal democracy, but the problem begins with those when you think about what happens with political dissidents

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          I’m an American. No European country is a socialist nation.

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              Fuck off

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              🙄

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              A good faith attempt to end the capitalist mode of production and move to the socialist mode as envisioned by Marx. Elimination of the role of capital in the ownership of industry or production, that’s your chief characteristic

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                  That’s social liberalism. It’s an offshoot of democratic socialism which discarded the goal of transition to socialism for continuing to reform capitalism. It also describes the US New Deal Coalition.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

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      China is a socialist democracy too. Dont leave them out.

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        The only part of China which is at all a democracy is Taiwan

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          Wholesome democracy Taiwan with their very democratic four decades of martial law and concentration campsso-true

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            Where people can vote for their leaders of any political bent, while people on the mainland are machine gunned for peacefully protesting to gain the right to do so. Wumau tankie fascists are all the same.

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              This is like an octopus ink cloud of liberal cope and bullshit

              They still put Chiang “The butcher of Shanghai” Kai Shek on their money to this day. I have some from my time there. Guy was sort of the Zelensky of his day honestly

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          Taiwan aka Republic of China aka state of China aka not a country. I dont care what a hand full of redditors have told you but they dont have a seat at the UN, the United States and EU doesnt recognize it as a sovereign nation, Taiwan depends on Chinese government and Chinese exports.

          Either way, China claims itself to be a democratic socialist country so just own that.

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            Yeah ok man I don’t care about your geopolitics, the point is that the only part of what is considered China which is at all democratic is Taiwan. The PRC is a totalitarian, one party dictatorship.

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              There are eight (8) other political parties in the mainland People’s Republic of China

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                  china is more of a democracy than the US what with its supreme court, senate, and electoral college.

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                  Look at those goalposts fly

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              Taiwan hasn’t even been “democratic” (in the sense of “murder all political opponents to the left of Reagan for 40 years and then start letting people vote for the party that did this”) for more than a few decades, so even at face value this barely counts.

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)

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