c.f. surf music and spongebob’s sound cues
Did our ancestors find God playing the electric guitar standing next to the ocean or something?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surf_music
Seems like your question contains the answer that you seek
Also see Hawaiian slack-key for a super unique and culturally rich style
So you’re saying that we associate the surf music sound with ocean because musicians decided to put surfing lyrics on that sound for whatever reason?
by reverb-heavy electric guitars played to evoke the sound of crashing waves
The question I’m asking is why these sounds evoke waves. I don’t see the resemblance.
We do?
yeah, just listen to the electric guitar in spongebob
In SpongeBob’s case, it was super influenced by Ween, specifically the album The Mollusk. So just ask Dean and Gene what drugs they were on at the time.
Interesting. I’m talking more about stuff like the (TV series’s) ending theme and the “steel sting” though. Loop de loop doesn’t particularly sound like it, though Ocean Man kinda does.
The sound engineer for the Beach boys was one of the first to develop the plate reverb sound, where he used a metal plate on the opposite side of the microphone and the sound waves would hit the microphone twice, once on their way by and once after bouncing, or reverberating, off of the steel plate. This is why we associate reverberated guitar with beach music, because beach music started with that sound.
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It seems like some chord arrangement are natural (they were developed independently in different parts of the world and maybe be specifically well tuned to how our ears work) but pretty much everything else is cultural though sometimes you need to dig really deep to find the source of those cultural roots. Some are informed by animals but even those have mostly transitioned to cultural learnings - instruments associated with birds, horses, dogs may have some basis in their call but at this point they’re mostly spread by cultural learnings.
There’s so much variability in tonal systems, I don’t think we can make any kind of claim about “natural”.
Western Europeans are used to an 8 tone system that’s been even tempered. Move away from that at all and it sounds weird to most people. Even what most people think of as classical would sound odd to them in their original un-tempered forms with contemporaneous instruments.
Hell, most people don’t know what to make of minor chords, let alone something like pentatonic systems or even more “weird” to us tonal systems.
Professor Greenburg discusses this in “How to Understand Great Music” (if I remember right), which is in many libraries (It’s a Teaching Company production, which are university courses on DVD). He’s a fantastic presenter, very honest and direct about how music has developed.
“Oh, Susana” has 5-tone verses. Or, did you mean temperament (which I assume means the “distance” between the tones) when you said “move away”.
Yea, temperament. Even though we use the same 8-note system that was used during the “classical” period, the distance (in frequency) between certain pitches isn’t the same as then, because we now (generally) use even-tempering.
Re:move away
Move away from today’s temperament in pop music (or even how classical is played with modern instruments) and most people would probably be confused because of these slight frequency changes.
I’ve heard classical played with historically accurate temperament using instruments adjusted to try to reflect the sounds of the time - very different.
Check out prof Greenburg - pretty sure he does it in one of his lecture series.
