Self defense is a legal defense. That means the person claiming that they were acting in self defense is going to be doing that, at trial, in front of a jury. That means they have been charged with murder and the jury has to decide whether the defendant was acting reasonably when they killed them. What that means specifically, depends on jurisdiction.
They could also be guilty of a lesser crime than first degree murder. There are knowing, reckless, and acting under extreme duress versions of homicide in most places. All of which still carry jail time.
Having argued self defense in front of a jury, I think it should always be an option for them so long as it makes some kind of sense for the facts.
If I was in court for killing a rapist, what makes you think I would care about going to jail at that point? The system would still be wrong for doing it regardless.
Did you know that legal does not equal moral, just or true?
Because no one is talking about purposefully putting oneself back in danger. That’s logically impossible because the rapist put you in a situation where you are always in danger, not just from them but the community at large.
Burdening rape victims with the responsibility of avoiding their rapist over something done to them inherently puts their life in danger.
It’s not always possible to avoid the rapist. Most rapists are people you know. What do you do when you have to interact with them at work? At school? At home?
What happens when you run into them at the store?
Because that’s the nightmare those rape apologist bitches are asking for. Entrenching the rights of rapists to act without consequences by shouldering responsibility for the situation on the victim.
Like what all evil people do.
And I will NOT support it. Ever. Rape victims have a unilateral right to kill their rapists and no one with any shred of humanity or decency will deny that. Deny it, and you’re a bad person. Period.
You are not in danger from the community at large because one person committed a crime. That’s asinine logic. You’re speaking from intense paranoia to justify hunting down someone that wronged you. Like the cop pigs that idolize the Punisher, you don’t care about justice, just assuaging your own violent tendencies with a more socially acceptable target.
Tell that to the poor girl who was raped in Stuebenville.
Whose house was burned down because she came forward and the backwater shithole she lived in decided football money was more important than her life.
Tell that to literally any rape victim anywhere.
Tell that to people who in some countries today risk being beaten to death by their own fathers and brothers for shaming the family by getting raped.
You are a despicable piece of shit.
And you prove my point that opposing a victim’s unilateral right to murder their rapist in the name of opposing vengeance or whatever the hell excuse you conjure up when it’s convenient is rape apologia.
You’re speaking from intense paranoia to justify hunting down someone that wronged you.
Holy fuck. You actually believe all that dumb shit those movies millennials grew up with shoved down your throat.
Did you ever sit and think about anything anyone said to the protagonists in those movies with any critical thought whatsoever? Or did you blindly adopt the hollow, wrongheaded thinking they wanted you to have?
We both know the answer to that. And quite frankly, if all you have to appeal to are empty, hollow, trite cliches to make your point, I am not impressed.
Like the cop pigs that idolize the Punisher, you don’t care about justice, just assuaging your own violent tendencies with a more socially acceptable target.
Holy shit, the projection is real.
You know I am a survivor of this sort of thing, right? I am one of the 1 in 6 that has been sexually assaulted in my lifetime. Several times. And when I speak my words are honed in the fires of raw, hard experience, while your privileged ass clearly knows nothing about it.
I speak of granting the power of violence to rape victims because I, along with everyone who agrees with the meme, sees clearly the very real danger and very real suffering inflicted on innocent victims every day, and we recognize that their right to remove the rapist from their existence is a natural right which transcends any garbage rape culture bullshit their worthless society is peddling.
And do you know anything about Punisher? Ever read the comics? The 90’s Garth Ennis run? Your whole mindset is nothing but a pre-calibrated laundry list of thought terminating cliches from that era so I am sure you are.
You ever read the Slavers arc? Where Punisher tortures cops to save human trafficking victims?
You ever read every other arc where he saves rape victims and brutally murders their rapists on the regular?
You read when he murders cops? All the time?
That’s WHY we laugh at pigs for bearing the Punisher symbol and why we shake our head at you in disappointment for being so flagrantly ignorant.
Also in civilized countries, self defense is only valid if you’ve exhausted every possible opportunity to retreat.The idea of “stand your ground” laws in the US is widely to considered to contribute to a violent society rather than deter.
For example in Florida in an instance of road rage a man fired a gun at another vehicle. Since the victim has no obligation to retreat, and even had his own weapon, he simply returned fire. So there’s a shootout in the middle of the street in broad daylight with innocent people around.
Self defense is a legal defense. That means the person claiming that they were acting in self defense is going to be doing that, at trial, in front of a jury. That means they have been charged with murder and the jury has to decide whether the defendant was acting reasonably when they killed them. What that means specifically, depends on jurisdiction.
They could also be guilty of a lesser crime than first degree murder. There are knowing, reckless, and acting under extreme duress versions of homicide in most places. All of which still carry jail time.
Having argued self defense in front of a jury, I think it should always be an option for them so long as it makes some kind of sense for the facts.
It’s not self defense of immediate threat has ended. You can’t take retributive action after the fact and call it self defense.
Okay, I’ll take a shot at this: I assert that you can and that the laws should be updated to account for that fact.
You go ahead a assert that all you want in a courtroom, see how far you get.
If I was in court for killing a rapist, what makes you think I would care about going to jail at that point? The system would still be wrong for doing it regardless.
Did you know that legal does not equal moral, just or true?
So if you successfully flee from danger, and then put yourself back in danger for the explicit purpose of killing someone, that’s okay?
If you successfully build a strawman, will it come alive and sing and dance?
How is what they said a strawman? You said laws should be updated to allow retribution.
Because no one is talking about purposefully putting oneself back in danger. That’s logically impossible because the rapist put you in a situation where you are always in danger, not just from them but the community at large.
Burdening rape victims with the responsibility of avoiding their rapist over something done to them inherently puts their life in danger.
It’s not always possible to avoid the rapist. Most rapists are people you know. What do you do when you have to interact with them at work? At school? At home?
What happens when you run into them at the store?
Because that’s the nightmare those rape apologist bitches are asking for. Entrenching the rights of rapists to act without consequences by shouldering responsibility for the situation on the victim.
Like what all evil people do.
And I will NOT support it. Ever. Rape victims have a unilateral right to kill their rapists and no one with any shred of humanity or decency will deny that. Deny it, and you’re a bad person. Period.
You are not in danger from the community at large because one person committed a crime. That’s asinine logic. You’re speaking from intense paranoia to justify hunting down someone that wronged you. Like the cop pigs that idolize the Punisher, you don’t care about justice, just assuaging your own violent tendencies with a more socially acceptable target.
Tell that to the poor girl who was raped in Stuebenville.
Whose house was burned down because she came forward and the backwater shithole she lived in decided football money was more important than her life.
Tell that to literally any rape victim anywhere.
Tell that to people who in some countries today risk being beaten to death by their own fathers and brothers for shaming the family by getting raped.
You are a despicable piece of shit.
And you prove my point that opposing a victim’s unilateral right to murder their rapist in the name of opposing vengeance or whatever the hell excuse you conjure up when it’s convenient is rape apologia.
Holy fuck. You actually believe all that dumb shit those movies millennials grew up with shoved down your throat.
Did you ever sit and think about anything anyone said to the protagonists in those movies with any critical thought whatsoever? Or did you blindly adopt the hollow, wrongheaded thinking they wanted you to have?
We both know the answer to that. And quite frankly, if all you have to appeal to are empty, hollow, trite cliches to make your point, I am not impressed.
Holy shit, the projection is real.
You know I am a survivor of this sort of thing, right? I am one of the 1 in 6 that has been sexually assaulted in my lifetime. Several times. And when I speak my words are honed in the fires of raw, hard experience, while your privileged ass clearly knows nothing about it.
I speak of granting the power of violence to rape victims because I, along with everyone who agrees with the meme, sees clearly the very real danger and very real suffering inflicted on innocent victims every day, and we recognize that their right to remove the rapist from their existence is a natural right which transcends any garbage rape culture bullshit their worthless society is peddling.
And do you know anything about Punisher? Ever read the comics? The 90’s Garth Ennis run? Your whole mindset is nothing but a pre-calibrated laundry list of thought terminating cliches from that era so I am sure you are.
You ever read the Slavers arc? Where Punisher tortures cops to save human trafficking victims?
You ever read every other arc where he saves rape victims and brutally murders their rapists on the regular?
You read when he murders cops? All the time?
That’s WHY we laugh at pigs for bearing the Punisher symbol and why we shake our head at you in disappointment for being so flagrantly ignorant.
You reek of privilege. Shut the fuck up.
Also in civilized countries, self defense is only valid if you’ve exhausted every possible opportunity to retreat.The idea of “stand your ground” laws in the US is widely to considered to contribute to a violent society rather than deter.
For example in Florida in an instance of road rage a man fired a gun at another vehicle. Since the victim has no obligation to retreat, and even had his own weapon, he simply returned fire. So there’s a shootout in the middle of the street in broad daylight with innocent people around.
That stuff doesn’t happen in safe societies.
Holy fuck, you’re naive. Naive to the point of being a danger to the human beings around you.
Go have a read about self defense laws around the world.
America is the naive one here.