“This was not reckless driving. This was murder,” the judge said before she read out Mackenzie Shirilla’s verdict Monday afternoon.

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          You can’t consent to murder, the best you could do is indemnify someone/an organisation against accidental death.

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            You can’t consent to murder

            Genuine question - why not? If someone wants to be murdered, for whatever reason, would that not be them consenting?

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              You could try to argue some suicide/euthanasia case, but “murder” by definition is intentional death without the consent of the victim.

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          There are cases of mutual murderer/suicide pacts where there’s shared responsibility and actions taken by each party but that wouldn’t have been possible when she was the only one in control of the car. Even if the boyfriend was suicidal, and there’s no reason to think he was from this article, the other passenger clearly wasn’t. IANAL either but I think that’s what the above comment was trying to get at.

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      It sounds much more like an abusive relationship. She was trying to punish him, regardless of the risk to herself.

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        …no, no, no… only WOMEN can be in abusive relationships.

        At least that is the utter bullshit you would believe if you listened to the feminist/white knight rhetoric out there.

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            Clearly you don’t want to hear the truth of the general bias of the internet and society as a whole.

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                We don’t have good feminists. The ones we have left don’t want equality, they want favoritism. There is a massive difference between the two.

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          Honestly, it’s very very similar. AFAICT she was trying to punish him. It has all the hallmarks of an abusive relationship. And an all too common outcome.

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      If you’re trying to kill others along with you, it’s not just suicide, it’s also murder.

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      This is why suicidal people are dangerous, it’s a relatively small change from killing yourself, to killing others.

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        This is why pastry chefs are dangerous, it’s a relatively small change from baking your bread, to baking others.

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          This is why being baked while baking with a baker is dangerous. You get too baked and you might get baked by the baker for making bad cakes.

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          As such, it is clear that suicides tend to have high levels of aggressive–destructive impulsive behaviours, generally referred to as impulsive–aggressive behaviours. These have been operationally defined in suicide studies as a tendency to react with animosity or overt hostility without consideration to possible consequences, when piqued or under stress.

          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277022/

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            Did you read anything else in that paper…? The words around that statement? Even the abstract?

            Or did you google what you wanted to see and post the result, because that paper is not about people harming others whilst attempting suicide. It is barely tangentially about that.

            (it’s about the impact of aggressive-impulsive tendencies on the suicide…r themselves)

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        No there may be a small chance of collateral damage, such as this case. But suicidal thinking does not make you think of killing others. You’re clearly lucky enough to have never had suicidal ideation, but it never comes near the kind of thoughts that want to kill others

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          It changes when it comes to acting. If you have the gun to your head, shooting someone telling you to stop is also highly likely.

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            Let’s see some stats on that one because being an abusive murder is a lot different than suicidality.

            There is no correlation between her wanting to kill people and her potential suicidality. They just coincidentally line up in this case.

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        I have a relative who was recently given a DUI.

        They went to the store, sober, and bought a handle of vodka (1.75 liters) consumed the vast majority, and drove around.

        He wanted to die in a head on collision. Selfish fuck.

        I don’t have a problem with people having the freedom to decide enough is enough, but don’t harm others in the process, at least more so than the death would cause. Especially innocent unrelated people.