First off, I’m going to put all the screenshots in the comments because this is the same guy as this post: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/364315 and it seems too cartoonishly dumb to be real, I don’t want you guys thinking I’m making this shit up. But I will give the transcript here, because it will be easier for you all to read in order. Here goes.

Me: sends a tiktok explaining capitalist decay and how it will lead to collapse

Him: I don’t think that’s gonna happen. Depressing tho

Me: I don’t necessarily either, I think we’ll transition to socialism, but this will absolutely happen if we don’t. It already is, all of it lol

Him: No bro it’ll be fine

Me: What r u basing that on? What will? It already very much isn’t fine

Him: The world ain’t ending gang, they been saying that shit for hundreds of years

Me: That’s not what I, or the video, ever said. Collapse isn’t the end of the world, it’s the breaking down of societal forms and living standards and shit

Him: Bro it ain’t happening. It’s a recession, it’s called a recession. And culture changes all the time. What’s happening now ain’t shit compared to the rest of history

Me: You think the last 40 years, all of this, is just a recession? I’m not just talking about things being a little more expensive gang look around

Him: There have been ups and downs over the last 40 years

Me: Green line wise, sure. Not materially, things have gotten worse for the majority of people over the last 40 years. I don’t know why you refuse to see that things are decaying, I’m not saying the world will end but the system is failing and things will change

Him: Failing in comparison to what

Me: Socialist countries and even capitalist ones 50 years ago

Him: Were they ever better than peak economic America

Me: Yes China is right now but regardless that’s a goofy way to compare it, the USSR and China had huge sanctions from the largest empire ever and still could provide housing/education healthcare etc. I don’t know what metrics you’re going by either like sure GDP maybe higher but I don’t care if Jeff bozos added 10384 billion to the gdp if 5% of families don’t have homes

Him: China is hardly the largest and is also hardly socialist

Me: Largest wdym? And they are socialist.

Him: Okay well someone could say the same thing about mfs in china living in 10sqft houses

Me: They don’t but lmao only a USian would say 10ft housing is worse than just living on the street.

Him: And your tiktok talking about “housing getting smaller blah blah blah” everything in that video is more comparable to China than the US and that’s straight fucking facts you can’t rebuttal that

Me: literally no. What? China is growing in every single sector, where are you getting that info lmao their home ownership is in the 90 percents and wages rising constantly, cheaper consumer goods, housing cheaper/free, education cheaper/free, Healthcare public, etc. Like you’re just wrong. And there’s a difference between a growing economy providing small housing from nothing and a capitalist superpower going from suburban houses for everyone to small apartments.

Him: Adjusting for population, China has more homeless people. And when the USA was booming mfs were living lavish. Mfs in china still getting arrested by the gustapo.

Me: the homeless people Stat is false deadass. just did the math, 2.5 million divided by 1.5 billion is 0.0016 and the same us Stat is 0.0017, you’re probably using the 2015 stat but either way. also definitely more than 600,000 homeless in America, they only count homeless as literally on street vs someone who is home owning age but is in desperation. China’s process is different, it’s got criteria. The point about “growing yet largest” both can be true? like yes literally they are still recovering/blooming out of a feudalism hellscape just from 1949, it’s been 70 years and they’re caught up to America. “when the USA economy was booming mfs were living lavish” yeah who exactly? the few hundred middle class communities got by, and the 1% excelled. homeless people stayed homeless and desperation stayed the same. you still haven’t explained which metrics you’re going by but homelessness has increased steadily im pretty sure. the last one is literal propaganda, not even responding lmao

Him: No I did the math myself

Me: Okay yeah I fucked the population it’s 1.4 not 1.5 but regardless the criteria is different and it’s a similar number.

Him: So people who ain’t really homeless are homeless to you… arguing with you feels disconnected from my reality . You can argue my persepctive is crafted by MSM but you ain’t changing my mind tbh

From here I basically just said please examine why you are such a bootlicker and capitalist simp even though your own life has been fucked over by this system many times. I told him to stop supporting something that is against his interests and we left it at that

Pictures in the comments because it’s cartoonishly dumb like I said and hard to believe it’s real

  • Tovarish Tomato@lemmygrad.ml
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    3 months ago

    A student campus close to me has a political discussions gc where I always argue with the same 3-4 smug libs most of them easten europeans who went to western europe to study and hate communism. They are so exhausting to argue with but there’s like 80 people in there so I figured even if there’s just 2-3 semi-active lurkers in there they might learn something new about marxism so whatever. I had a really spectacular takedown today. They started throwing Solzhenitsyn, “Stalin was antisemitic”, the “doctors plot”, “Gulags” and “my grandparents died in Siberia” at me🤣 I just screenshoted the relevant passages of Losurdo’s Stalin and they stopped arguing lmao.

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    3 months ago

    That’s getting nowhere. Crazy how USians think they know so much about Chinese society with no investigation.