You call me wrong, yet don’t bring a source to debunk me. You call me smug, yet speak of me as if I’m an animal. I will say the Communist tendency to hate liberals is why this movement has yet to succeed in the US. You seem incapable of knowing that liberals are just more mild versions of communists and if we want marxist movements we must move within a big tent party, since we don’t have large enough numbers to do anything within any democratic country.
First, I am a communist. Second, I’m not victim blaming, I’m saying that we can’t attain any progress in a democracy if we dont work with liberals, as we dont have have the number. I’m not saying “become liberal”, I’m saying that we need to work within a big teny party to attain power. While I do disagree with you, both as an ML and your specific viewpoint, I will not deny that I’d rather have communists I disagree with than the us’ spiral into fascism.
Also, you shouldn’t complain about sourcing your arguments. Even if you’re not arguing with me, you will argue with other people who, whether you’re correct or incorrect, will demand sources.
I don’t get how it’s controversial to say that communists are not the majority of people, and therefore can’t act on our own. If we were an established party and didn’t need liberals, I wouldn’t be saying that we should work with liberals. But if we alienate ourselves from liberals and vote for our own candidates, who won’t win due to our small membership, it will be the right that wins, thereby pushing our progress back.
Hmm, voting. I think you need to read up on Left Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder by V.I. Lenin. In fact, even State and Revolution and maybe even What is to be done? (I haven’t completed this one yet).
It seems like you’re rusty on what revolutionary socialism is.
I still don’t get how it’s controversial to say that to gain power, we need numbers, and we agree with liberals more than fascists, and therefore to get power to us and away from fascists we should unify until we can create a revolution, or a party that will be voted in.
Is it that hard to not treat me as if you’re a natgeo narrator. You’re not debunking the libs by not engaging with them, you just alienate your comrades who don’t agree with you on everything.
I’m going to stop now because you’ve also been chasing your tail, not engaging with my arguments, but rather calling me a lib because I disagree with you. You would call Marx a lib if he were alive today. Also, why do you treat libs as people below you, have you not thought of the idea that this could be why they disagree with you?
Did you read anything anyone has been saying? Cause they’re absolutely correct in their analysis of you. Everything up till now you’ve just refused to listen, you continue to act smug like you know what you’re talking about and don’t even make an attempt to understand any of the concepts being explained to you.
Talk about being unprepared to critically examine your own worldview.
Don’t conflate liberals and the right. Liberals don’t actively try to fuck over workers like rightists are. Further, it doesn’t matter what liberals were 100 years ago, do you think Biden is as bad as Trump?
Liberalism only appears on the left if your political spectrum extends from “capitalism, but the poor get some scraps” to “capitalism, but the poor don’t get scraps”.
Liberals literally do fuck over the workers, the very structure they maintain, capitalism, is the exploitation of workers.
By voting for socialist leaders who won’t get elected, you allow the right to get elected and thereby deny them those scraps. And I think the homeless would rather have some scraps than none. Also, when in a contemporary democracy, this is the spectrum, no one else would get elected.
I think there’s a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of the state in capitalism. It’s not just by chance that the state has represented the interests of the capitalists, despite them being a tiny minority, since 1776.
The state giving more scraps isn’t a response to voters wanting it, if the state represented the people, we wouldn’t have capitalism. It’s a response to a threat to capitalism, a sort of safety valve.
But on the subject of electoralism, Biden got elected and had both houses. He did fuckall, is bombing yemen, and facilitating a genocide in Israel. If you cannot punish a politician for all that, your interests do not even begin to enter the equation.
Plenty of MLs will engage with you patiently. It just gets very annoying when you guys come in swinging with easily debunked or out of context factoids. Remember, this is an internet forum, not an organization of professionals.
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You call me wrong, yet don’t bring a source to debunk me. You call me smug, yet speak of me as if I’m an animal. I will say the Communist tendency to hate liberals is why this movement has yet to succeed in the US. You seem incapable of knowing that liberals are just more mild versions of communists and if we want marxist movements we must move within a big tent party, since we don’t have large enough numbers to do anything within any democratic country.
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The “art” part of your username is certainly true. Incredible comment!
Man this was some David Attenborough type of reading 😭🙌🏿
Edit: went back and read this in Steve Irwin’s voice I’m dying 💀
Another name added to the victims of communism, if only he hadn’t already been braindead
I love your username.
First, I am a communist. Second, I’m not victim blaming, I’m saying that we can’t attain any progress in a democracy if we dont work with liberals, as we dont have have the number. I’m not saying “become liberal”, I’m saying that we need to work within a big teny party to attain power. While I do disagree with you, both as an ML and your specific viewpoint, I will not deny that I’d rather have communists I disagree with than the us’ spiral into fascism.
Also, you shouldn’t complain about sourcing your arguments. Even if you’re not arguing with me, you will argue with other people who, whether you’re correct or incorrect, will demand sources.
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Didn’t they say earlier in the thread that communism “didn’t work”? Lol can’t even keep consistent
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I don’t get how it’s controversial to say that communists are not the majority of people, and therefore can’t act on our own. If we were an established party and didn’t need liberals, I wouldn’t be saying that we should work with liberals. But if we alienate ourselves from liberals and vote for our own candidates, who won’t win due to our small membership, it will be the right that wins, thereby pushing our progress back.
Hmm, voting. I think you need to read up on Left Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder by V.I. Lenin. In fact, even State and Revolution and maybe even What is to be done? (I haven’t completed this one yet).
It seems like you’re rusty on what revolutionary socialism is.
I still don’t get how it’s controversial to say that to gain power, we need numbers, and we agree with liberals more than fascists, and therefore to get power to us and away from fascists we should unify until we can create a revolution, or a party that will be voted in.
Why do we agree with liberals more than fascists?
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Comrade, I’m telling you, you should pursue making documentaries after the revolution, this is amazing 😭😭😭
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Is it that hard to not treat me as if you’re a natgeo narrator. You’re not debunking the libs by not engaging with them, you just alienate your comrades who don’t agree with you on everything.
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I’m going to stop now because you’ve also been chasing your tail, not engaging with my arguments, but rather calling me a lib because I disagree with you. You would call Marx a lib if he were alive today. Also, why do you treat libs as people below you, have you not thought of the idea that this could be why they disagree with you?
Did you read anything anyone has been saying? Cause they’re absolutely correct in their analysis of you. Everything up till now you’ve just refused to listen, you continue to act smug like you know what you’re talking about and don’t even make an attempt to understand any of the concepts being explained to you.
Talk about being unprepared to critically examine your own worldview.
I am begging you, please read a book, any book by anyone on the left written in the last 180 years.
Liberals support capitalism, communists and everyone else on the left seek to abolish it.
Don’t conflate liberals and the right. Liberals don’t actively try to fuck over workers like rightists are. Further, it doesn’t matter what liberals were 100 years ago, do you think Biden is as bad as Trump?
Liberalism only appears on the left if your political spectrum extends from “capitalism, but the poor get some scraps” to “capitalism, but the poor don’t get scraps”.
Liberals literally do fuck over the workers, the very structure they maintain, capitalism, is the exploitation of workers.
By voting for socialist leaders who won’t get elected, you allow the right to get elected and thereby deny them those scraps. And I think the homeless would rather have some scraps than none. Also, when in a contemporary democracy, this is the spectrum, no one else would get elected.
I think there’s a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of the state in capitalism. It’s not just by chance that the state has represented the interests of the capitalists, despite them being a tiny minority, since 1776.
The state giving more scraps isn’t a response to voters wanting it, if the state represented the people, we wouldn’t have capitalism. It’s a response to a threat to capitalism, a sort of safety valve.
But on the subject of electoralism, Biden got elected and had both houses. He did fuckall, is bombing yemen, and facilitating a genocide in Israel. If you cannot punish a politician for all that, your interests do not even begin to enter the equation.
fuck over workers like rightists do*
Plenty of MLs will engage with you patiently. It just gets very annoying when you guys come in swinging with easily debunked or out of context factoids. Remember, this is an internet forum, not an organization of professionals.
It really also gets annoying to me that you call them out of context, but don’t give context.
I replied to you in a different comment.
Ah, I didn’t see it at first. Thank you!