• _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works
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    8 months ago

    The US needs ranked choice voting badly, but to say the only difference between the US and Russia is the two party system is just straight up incorrect. Opposition leaders and dissidents do not get regularly assassinated by the government in the US for starters.

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      That’s because none of the opposition leaders are actually threats. They killed plenty of opposition leaders while your parents were alive, though. Martin and Malcom are the two most obvious ones.

      But before that, when there was a labor movement, lots of people got killed for being on the wrong side of power.

      And finally, the USA doesn’t have a USA out there funding and inculcating opposition leaders, connecting them with spies and mercenaries, and building movements to create a coup.

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        while your parents were alive

        If you’re making assumptions about the aliveness of someone’s family, please don’t.

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      What opposition leaders? What dissidents?

      Two of the top university presidents in the country were taken down after daring to question the common narrative on the conflict in Gaza.

      A whistleblower for a government defence contractor was just assassinated in the middle of legal proceedings against that defence contractor.

      Whistleblowers are hunted after: Assange is struggling to avoid extradition and Snowden is stuck in Russia after being pressured to leave everywhere else.

      Meanwhile, even legitimate presidential candidates like Sanders are given every disadvantage, most notably in terms of (a lack of) funding and superdelegate votes in primaries.

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        What opposition leaders? What dissidents?

        I can’t take you seriously at this point, we have protests here regularly and people speak out against the government like it’s a hobby. To imply otherwise is farcical to say the least.

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          To the same extent this is true in both Russia and China, yes. Yet, what are their impacts on policy?

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            To the same extent this is true in both Russia and China, yes.

            No.

            Not even close.

            Neither of those countries have constitutionally protected free speech and they both regularly disappear their people, even in other countries.

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              Said unironically despite the USA having euphemisms like “extraordinary rendition” and “black sites”, within days of a whistleblower being found unalived, while the USA seeks extradition of Assange and can’t guarantee they won’t kill him, while Manning rots in a cell and Snowden is living in exile.

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              Like that Boeing whistleblower last week?

              You’re making it seem like things are so much better here.

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                I’m sorry, are you trying to suggest that the US government offed a whistle blower for Boeing??? Why would they even do that? To what end?

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              Neither of those countries have constitutionally protected free speech

              Article 29 of Russian constitution and Article 35 of Chinese constitution prove you wrong.

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                Lmfao and I can write on a piece of paper I’m the king of France but at the end of the day it’s just a piece of paper with writing on it and no enforcement. They have it written on the constitution so they can say they have it, but then the ruling party does whatever it wants.

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                  Again, what are the recent policy impacts of this “free speech”?

                  I can point to a very clear example of Chinese protests netting real, tangible policy change at the national level: Chinese protests took down Zero COVID policy. This is recent, large-scale, national, and resulted in a real and tangible change in government policy.

                  What can you point to in the US over that same time frame? I guess the march on Washington in support of Israel’s genocide?

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                    Again, you conveniently skirting around the point and I’m not going to continue discussing with someone not arguing in good faith.

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                Oh, true! Perhaps someone could remind russki police of that next time they’re being arrested for holding a blank sheet of paper. Y’all sound dumb as hell.

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          The son of someone involved in a literal fascist overthrow plot in the 30s became the head of the CIA which takes over governments then the President. His son then stole an election and allowed 9/11 to happen

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              You live in a fascist country that the CIA literally overthrew the government of then instituted a crisis which ushered in a police state. Lots of people disappear and you don’t know because they run your media. Your country maintains black sites around the world including Guantanamo Bay. Your electrify the balls of people and say welp we tortured some folks. You don’t hear about it because whistleblowers regularly wind up dead. Consider yourself lucky that you are white passing enough or have enough money that you are protected from this and get to live in a bubble.

              Death to America

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                  Opposition leaders and dissidents do not get regularly assassinated by the government in the US for starters.

                  The US internally disappearing and/or killing anyone who speaks out against it.

                  Yes they do. What do you think happened to Martin Luther King Jr, Malcom X or Fred Hampton? What do you think happened or all the budding leaders you never hear about. You have a child’s understanding of the world you live in.

                  Because you have no historical or material context at all this needs to be explained to you. You live in a totalitarian fascist police state and are not informed of the death that occurs around you.

                  Nice that you can throw around big words like non sequitur. You only can’t follow this because you have an American education.

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                    If that’s something that regularly happens in the US, do you have any examples from the last decade, instead of three examples from 55-60 years ago?

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                    Ok, 60+ year old examples aside, how does any of that excuse anything anyone else does?

                    It fucking doesn’t!

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      Personally I’d say score voting would make the most sense. Essentially it works like this, you get a list of parties and you vote them 1-5 on how much you agree with them. This changes the whole dynamics as you now aren’t choosing who will rule, but how much you agree with each party ideologically and forcing you to research on their proposed mandate plans. It also serves as sort of an evaluation of how do you think each party has been addressing the country’s issues before the election.

      Mathematically, this may not ensure always the most happiness, but it ensures the least unhappiness compared to all current known voting methods (you can easily find research on how this was calculated in many papers on mathematics).

      Personally i would also propose returning to the old Roman and the first proposed French republic system of having 2-3 consuls of the most voted for parties and they take turns proposing legislation to a senate that’s a direct seated representation of the voting results.

      As an interesting tidbit, the reason we have a president/prime Minister with all the power in most western democracies, is because Napoleon altered the original proposed 3 consul system into a prime consul with all the power then minor ministers because he was aiming to become Emperor and wanted to centralize the power. Our democratic systems are strongly influenced by the first French republic post the French revolution.