The comments are even worse. The fact this rhetoric made it even there genuinely makes me feels terrible. Are even other transfems this liberal or is this fed work?

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    Im sorry but its a naive perpsective I can only imagine coming out of the mouth of someone who grew up in the liberal core with material advantages. Thats why the ‘no really we just need to give short term material benefits to these groups’ take is dogshit.

    Tell that to the LGBT+ person living in a tent city in America. What material benefits? Have you seen the homeless in America? None of those benefits exist for them, they are already dying. All that happens is the more materially well off people can goto sleep in the gated communities while they drive past tent cities every day and get served by the poors working three jobs just to keep a shelter.

    Taking these takes into a communist space is silly.

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      ‘no really we just need to give short term material benefits to these groups’

      They weren’t saying this either. How can you fly off the handle at a comrade without even reading what they’re writing? Their argument is:

      Powers that the Biden administration will do nothing with are powers that a Trump administration will do evil with.

      They’re saying Biden will do nothing for you, but that there is a difference between doing nothing for you and actively trying to harm you as much as possible. They are not using this to say you should vote Biden. The argument is “people see this difference so we look silly pretending there is no difference whatsoever.” And they even highlight better arguments for not voting Biden that don’t ignore that difference (“one will eventually lead to the other anyway”).

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        You can argue that one will eventually lead to the other anyway, or that rejection of the already existing elements of liberal fascism is worth sacrificing the short term material comfort to those groups,

        no really we just need to give short term material benefits to these groups’

        They weren’t saying this either.

        They quite literally said that, I quoted them.

        “people see this difference so we look silly pretending there is no difference whatsoever."

        Accepting the framing of this issue sets us back, it agrees that actually there is a difference. Im telling you from the underclasses POV, from someone who grew up with my own countries ‘biden’ that no, things actually got worse.

        You see when liberals elect leftists, they basically say ‘well sucks to be you’ to anyone who doesnt live in a left-liberal demographic. Any and all comrades on the poverty line basically get thrown to the wolfs in right-wing states; all that happens is the liberal core starts to placate the liberal left voters and demonize anyone under them; see the ‘chavs’ discourse in the UK, im not sure what the equivilant would be in America; probably those on wellfare.

        Conditions get worse, income gap gets worse, liberals tell us to keep voting for the person who will throw them some scraps while ignoring everyone else; I say no more.