The comments are even worse. The fact this rhetoric made it even there genuinely makes me feels terrible. Are even other transfems this liberal or is this fed work?

  • TBooneChickens [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    You seem to think walking away from the systems of power weakens them. In your desperation to not be part of the problem, you refuse to be part of a solution. I can’t blame you, it’s a rather bleak situation. But I see more suffering in the world where people give up the struggle out of hopelessness than the one where people keep fighting.

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      Holly, you misunderstood @SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml’s point so fucking badly.

      No, the point is NOT that not voting is supposed to somehow weaken the system, of course it doesn’t, we know that. And no, it has nothing to do with “giving up the struggle out of hopelessness”, the literal opposite in fact.

      The point is that NO as we keep telling you all over and over again but you can’t seem to ever get, Biden WILL NOT keep the right from oppressing trans peoples nor any other minorities, not even a little bit, the fact that so many peoples are still so convinced of the contrary after a full term with Biden as president during which minorities’ rights kept being taken away just like during Trump’s term is mind boggling, I don’t know what kind of self gaslighting Biden supporter practice but it sure works well.

      The idea that voting for Biden is a solution to anything at all, let alone to the right’s attack on minority rights, is an illusion, a phantasm, a fable, whatever you want to call it, it’s not real, it’s not a thing and it never was a thing. Whatever you think would happen during Trump’s presidency would either happen under Biden all the same or not happen even with Trump, plain and simple.

      If you want to believe in the illusion that somehow the party that has never protected any minority from the right will decide to protect minorities from the right this time around and consider that supporting a genocide is a fair price for it you do you, but the peoples who base their politics on material reality instead of vibes won’t no matter how many time you repeat tired liberal tropes.

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        I wonder why these sort of “We must vote for genocide Joe to stop genocide Trump” sorts always have that exact same blind spot, doesn’t matter how many people tell them something, or what kind of format, they just refuse to accept that the two parties are not fundamentally different enough to make voting for either of them a worthwhile way to spend one’s time. Every single one of them speaks like this, in a “if voting for Biden saves even one life, it would be worth it” very lib hypothetical.

        I’m guessing they behave this way because they aren’t in a position to actually do anything of substance to help people right now, and so want to find an excuse as to why supporting active harm against a different flavour of the same active harm is somehow some sort of “praxis” (that is incredibly low effort and something they can actually achieve at present.)

        Liberals ignoring what we say tend to do so to protect their own egos, they don’t want to feel like “bad guys” and want to feel like they’re actively making the world a better place through their actions and beliefs, so these kind of…“vooter leftists” that have been popping up lately might have a similar thing going on, they always act like the only options are voting or nothing, so I think for them those are the only options right now, they just aren’t in a position to do anything right now, no education, no volunteering, no protesting, only voting. So telling them that voting will not help anyone and only provides passive support for the bourgeoisie democracy is translated by their brain worms into “You should do nothing and watch as people die.” which is probably why they are so hostile to the idea of not voting and act like we said something completely different to what we actually said to them.

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          Templates workshopped on DemocraticUnderground, no doubt. They’ve done that kind of shit for years; you can’t pay me to think this wasn’t developed by a committee of too-online liberal smuglords thinking they’d crafted a silver bullet for the werewolves they regard us as.

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            It does seem to have worked on some leftists in the states. The one who was here has been a hexbear user for a while, so for them to come out with this “vote blue no matter who” stuff is worrying. First Lemmygrad, now we have one from hexbear, it does kind of make me wonder if some attempt at “converting” people has taken place, using fearmongering to shut down their critical thinking skills and turn them into functionally back into liberals.

            I think it’s pretty damn sad that this is the best they can do. I guess they’ve already tried the “we can push Biden left!” thing and know that is bullshit, so all they’ve got is “If Trump is elected, he’ll personally come to your house and murder everyone you love! He’s a scary cheeto man!” I should probably just have that Malcolm X speech about the Dixiecrats saved and ready to copy-paste whenever anyone brings up voting for Biden. This is such an old and cliche liberal tactic, sad to see people falling for it.

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      I’m not washing my hands in your trough of blood just to keep the fucking settlers alive. I will not die here with my name counted next to the fucking genociders. It’s a non-starter. I’d literally rather the country fell than be complicit.