The comments are even worse. The fact this rhetoric made it even there genuinely makes me feels terrible. Are even other transfems this liberal or is this fed work?

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    I understand why it wouldn’t be a good long term plan, but for the short term I don’t follow your logic. What’s the short term plan you communists think is good? Either conservatives win and oppress trans people, or biden wins and trans people live marginally safer. I assume the plan isn’t for trump to win and hopefully push more people to left, so it must be that enough people will vote for biden. But communists can’t help to increase the odds?

    Also, she’s not saying not voting for biden is transphobic. She’s at best saying banning people for saying that is transphobic.

    And a personal point, if you don’t vote for biden and conservatives win I can’t imagine how you wouldn’t feel guilt.

    And a side note: None of this makes her a reactionary. Is this just a generic people we don’t like sub?

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      You’re right, for the short term I totally understand why some people want to vote for Biden, but don’t think he is marginally better than Trump. He doesn’t care for trans rights so he will not do anything to better their situation, except shallow words. Under Biden, trans rights aren’t good either, and they are still oppressed. Maybe Trump is better but they are both bad. I don’t think that communists will feel guilty for not voting Biden.

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      Either conservatives win and oppress trans people, or biden wins and trans people live marginally safer.

      Correction: Either conservatives win and oppress trans peoples, or biden win and let conservatives oppress trans peoples.

      Reminder that Biden let the right overturn Roe v Wade and affirmative action and never did anything about it even though he has the power to, if he isn’t even willing to block the right from oppressing cis women and POC they won’t do it for trans peoples either. That’s the problem with your logic, you insist that the Democrats will keep the right from advancing their anti-minorities program when literally, there is no reason whatsoever to believe they will.

      I assume the plan isn’t for trump to win and hopefully push more people to left, so it must be that enough people will vote for biden.

      It isn’t either of those. The plan “plan” is to resist oppression directly instead of hoping that a pawn of the oppressing system will do it for us. Protest, strike, sabotage oppressive apparatus’ operations, create or join organization(s) to fight back, in one word: class warfare.

      That’s how you secure rights for minorities, that’s how it always worked, no minority right has ever been won by voting hard enough, all were won by making the capitalist state so scared of us that they had no other choice than to give concessions.

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        The “plan” is to resist oppression directly instead of hoping that a pawn of the oppressing system will do it for us.

        Could not have said it better myself. Putting your hopes in a bourgeois politician to protect you is always a recipe for disaster. We can only protect ourselves. As the song goes:

        Il n’est pas de sauveurs suprêmes

        Ni dieu, ni césar, ni tribun

        Producteurs, sauvons-nous nous-mêmes!

        Décrétons le salut commun!

        That’s how you secure rights for minorities, that’s how it always worked, no minority right has ever been won by voting hard enough, all were won by making the capitalist state so scared of us that they had no other choice than to give concessions.

        Why is this point so hard for liberals to grasp when it is so painfully obvious from even a cursory glance at history?

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        The plan “plan” is to resist oppression directly

        Why can’t you do both?

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          Because we don’t want to support a literal genocide for an illusion of security and because electing Biden wont stop the right from oppressing minorities as we keep telling you.

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            The genocide will happen regardless of how you vote. And it’s disingenuous to imply the right will oppress minorities just the same regardless of who’s elected. Any bit of security is that much better

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              it’s disingenuous to imply the right will oppress minorities just the same regardless of who’s elected

              THAT’S LITERALLY WHAT HAPPENED DURING BIDENS’ CURRENT TERM THOUGH?!!! Like, hello? Were you fucking hibernating when they overturned Roe v Wade despite the Democrats being in power and Biden did exactly nothing whatsoever about it?

              For the last fucking time, electing Biden won’t protect any minority, there is 0 security to get from them.

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                On the other hand did you see them take the opportunity to restrict abortion federally? How is it so hard to understand that between the people who are actively taking away your rights and the people who are doing nothing about it, the second group is the smarter choice? And as I understand, the reason roe v wade could get overturned in the first place is because dems lost the 2016 election and the Supreme Court got stacked with conservatives. I don’t see how it is favorable for that to happen again neither.

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                  On the other hand did you see them take the opportunity to restrict abortion federally?

                  The whole thing with the democrats and the whole reason they are useless against the right is that they mostly don’t push right themselves, they let the Republicans do it and don’t intervene. Abortion wasn’t restricted federally because the Republicans didn’t seriously push for that to happen, if the Republicans had pushed a little the Democrats would immediately cave in and let it happen like they did with Roe v Wade.

                  How is it so hard to understand that between the people who are actively taking away your rights and the people who are doing nothing about it, the second group is the smarter choice?

                  Because the the first group end up taking away your rights either way.

                  the reason roe v wade could get overturned in the first place is because dems lost the 2016 election and the Supreme Court got stacked with conservatives.

                  This just sounds like an excuse, the President can literally bypass congress and it wouldn’t surprise me if they have that kind of authority over the supreme court as well, but I’ll let peoples who know the US system better confirm or deny that.

                  And anyway, voting for a politician who support a genocide is morally bankrupt no matter how you cut it, as someone who is technically both LGBT and disabled I’d sooner take on whatever the likes of the Republicans throw at me rather than vote for a genocider, and clearly most LGBT and poc agree given the amount of them who say they won’t vote for him either.