Hey! So to make a long story short, about 2 months ago I learned that Iā€™ll probably be PIPā€™ed (posted about this here btw and received super helpful advice, thanks <3). I thought this comes only from my direct manager (who is leaving now), but after talking to my skip level they seemed to support the decision. ā€ØAfter learning this I immediately started reaching out to other teams who were hiring, because Iā€™m in a big tech company and an external switch is complicated in the current market.

Fast forward, a manager from another team wanted to hire me. I didnā€™t want to raise any attention until I had a confirmation that this is a done deal. Hiring manager + recruiter told me they want to hire me, so I had to talk to my skip level & manager. I was really afraid of doing this too early because of how bad it looks if it doesnā€™t work out, but at this point I had no choice.

I phrased the conversations with my managers as asking for advice if it makes sense or not. Skip level told me immediately itā€™s a great idea and I should go for it, manager was more neutral, but there were no efforts made to retain me.

Last week, I told them that Iā€™d decide to go for it, so my managers and the hiring managers had a conversation.

In the meantime, I did my job as usual and didnā€™t inform anyone else. This week I learned as expected that Iā€™d be pipā€™ed in my current role if I stayed, so leaving would have been a good choice. However according to management the PIP isnā€™t designed to force me out but ā€œto help me improveā€ (not very conifdent that they really mean it though).

This week, I also got informed though that eventually the other team moved forward with another candidate. Fair enough, no hard feelings, but why do you make me go to my managers if the decision isnā€™t final?

The reasons were:

  1. Concerns regarding remote work
  2. Technical skills

My company has RTO going on and Iā€™m currently remote, apparently the new director is a fan of coming to the office.

Anyway, Iā€™m applying externally, and I have some processes going on, but nothing concrete, so it seems like Iā€™m forced to stay in my current role. Iā€™d be okay with being laid off, but I canā€™t quit myself because Iā€™d lose on a lot of benefits (not in the US) and also severance.

My idea was that I would need to say that eventually I backed off due to not being able to agree on some issues revolving around workmode and start date.

Afterwards I would then ask to sit down with manager & skip level and address the points that make me unhappy and ask for a clear trajectory from their side to address these and also on how they imagine collaborating given the PIP they triggered.

Does that seem to make sense to you? I mean if I can leave I will leave immediately, but currently thatā€™s not an option yet.

So now Iā€™m really wondering how to go from here? Iā€™m currently aligning with the hiring manager & recruiter to align communication, but given that I already said Iā€™m leaving that can only be damage control.

  • MetalFingers@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Reality check time, Youā€™re on your way out buddy. Companies donā€™t use PIPs as a last resort anymore, 99% of the time itā€™s to build the case to let you go without any blowback / unemployment and based on your history it sounds like this was a long time coming and you knew it. You didnā€™t get the other role because your current manager most likely gave the other team a heads up. Your only real option is to look externally at this point so it doesnā€™t really make sense to me why you wouldnā€™t at least try, If youā€™re in a big tech company what exactly makes it complicated to switch? If anything that should make it easier?

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      1 year ago

      His manager at least had the decency to warn him ahead of time about the PIP. Still - it seems mostly about forcing him out of his remote position.

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      1 year ago

      Definitely Iā€™m on my way out. An external switch atm is just difficult because there arenā€™t that many open positions. Iā€™m currently in one process where I profited from my network. Other than that itā€™s quite tough right now. ca. 1.5y when I was making the switch, I had to pick from 3 different offers and cancelled on a few final round interviews. The market is bad for my field right now, this is what makes the switch tough.

      And yeah Iā€™m also assuming they gave the new manager a heads up. Too bad.