• Wanderer@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    “All this automation should be going towards doubling the amount of jobs at half the hours for the same pay.”

    Yes but it is very important how this is done. Some people on the Internet have catastrophically bad ideas like taxing automation.

    What I think needs to be done to name a few:

    • Maximum work hours reduced to say 30 (and decrease overtime) before automatic overtime is a thing (salaried workers included).
    • No out of hours work or big restrictions. What you do in your time is nothing to do with work.
    • Min wage increases.
    • Temp workers need a whole lot of changes.
    • Prevention of offshoring of some work.
    • Reduction of immigration that keeps wages down and stops on the job training.
    • Reduction of economic migrants.

    The other big one is UBI which could lead to a decrease in minimum wage but benefit everyone.

    Also the housing situation needs a big revamp.

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      8 months ago

      Sounds good.

      I’m just saying in the past… there was that cash register analogy that was going around a while back…

      Like a dude buys a cash register - needs 1 cashier instead of 3, but pays the one cashier the same. Business owner dude should be paying that remaining cashier at least double.

      Just spoutin’ some hindsight or whatever I dunno.

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        8 months ago

        No strong disagree.

        If that was the case we wouldn’t ever have economic growth. Businesses need to be competitive and make competitive decisions.

        If two people are out of work and one the same then so be it, the system needs to pick them up in a different way. Automation and competition is good.

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            8 months ago

            Society can be better at dealing with competition.

            How much do you think a farm labourer should be paid out of curiosity? Half of what has been saved in wages? That’s a hell of a lot of money.

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              8 months ago

              You’re damn right it is. The exact math isn’t important for our conversation, but the point is that the savings gained through automation should be shared with the workers.

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                8 months ago

                No the saving should be divided with society.

                If anyone should be getting the gains of that automation it’s the people that built it and improved output per person. Not the people that in no way contributed anything at all towards progress.

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                  8 months ago

                  I don’t disagree, but workers are a part of society too and if automation increases the productivity of the workers, they should get more too.

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                    8 months ago

                    UBI, lower taxes, free public transport, free education.

                    Many manys I would agree with that. But what you suggest is too difficult and too distorting of the market.

                    Say a job get improved because the new version of Microsoft Office is 5% better but no one gets laid off. You can’t even begin to work out things like that.