When you examine news and media with a critical eye, you have to do it critically, not just be contrarian
Yes, facts around Xinjiang and the Ukranian famine are distorted for propaganda purposes - this does not mean other genocides were. You got the “we shouldn’t accept everything we’re told at face value” part without getting to the second part of examining the claims to discover what’s true and what isn’t
In this case, your questioning of the Holocaust comes out of antisemitism, full stop, because you need to ask yourself: who distorts facts, and why?
With Xinjiang, facts are distorted by Adrian Zenz (a religious zealot against China) and western governments as a cudgel against China for being a perceived enemy state. Claims are distorted or fabricated to make China look bad
With the Holodomor, facts are distorted by Nazis as part of the Double Holocaust myth in order to downplay their own atrocities and make the Soviets look as bad or worse. That a famine happened isn’t in debate however, what is debated and distorted is whether the famine was intentionally engineered as a Ukranian genocide
Now take that and apply it to the Holocaust. If you question the facts and veracity of it, the question becomes to what purpose? The only people who could possibly stand to gain from distorting facts here would be the Jewish people, and that line of thinking is blatant antisemitism
Tldr shut the fuck up and read some history. No investigation, no right to speak
??? This is a massive overreaction to someone admitting they dont know enough about something, ive also posted that nazi rhetoric clearly doesnt put any doubt into the events. Im not equating what you think Im equating
All im saying is that i never read into it personally and id argue im not the only one here.
Please disengage with me, its seriously not worth your time.
Edit: or mine just let me read the shit the person above linked, i dont think you get how shitty my primary education was
You keep blaming your education, when really you should be blaming yourself. The person above you wants you to stop blaming others for your ignorance, and actively read about the horseshit you say.
If you’re going to say something, do the bare minimum and atleast try to educate yourself. There are so many world war one and two books which will go into the why, hows, and extent of the wars. No one debates whether or not the holocaust happened. The biggest debate still on going, was just how many people died. Was it 6million people, was it 12 million? So many people were killed we can’t decide on an accurate number. So many bodies literally burned after being incinerated that we can never know. The only people saying it simply didn’t happen, are those who committed those atrocities, and want the chance at being able to commit them again.
Its very difficult to believe you had a “massive lack of education” yet still somehow have the education to know you should care more about it.
There are so many things to learn about and rabbit hole down i dont blame myself for not knowing the finer points of something horrible nazis did and what youre saying im saying is not what im saying. No one is arguing nazis didnt murder a bunch of people.
Again i argue that im not the only one with this issue of just osmosising information yet not really knowing any details
Also Its not like i dont spend most of my free time being productive as it is, the chiding is weird and uncalled for imo as none of you know me irl
Ngl the responses are pretty mild for coming into a thread and basically stating “ok so what really happened during the holocaust” while acting completely normal about that lol.
Idk why you are so fucking mad or surprised that the responses you got are somewhat incredulous.
I think you need to take a step back and do a self crit buddy. This is not healthy. You were explained patiently why that is a dangerous assertion that has no basis in reality and this JAQing is riding the line of holocaust denial.
Okay this is reaching Holocaust denial levels
When you examine news and media with a critical eye, you have to do it critically, not just be contrarian
Yes, facts around Xinjiang and the Ukranian famine are distorted for propaganda purposes - this does not mean other genocides were. You got the “we shouldn’t accept everything we’re told at face value” part without getting to the second part of examining the claims to discover what’s true and what isn’t
In this case, your questioning of the Holocaust comes out of antisemitism, full stop, because you need to ask yourself: who distorts facts, and why?
With Xinjiang, facts are distorted by Adrian Zenz (a religious zealot against China) and western governments as a cudgel against China for being a perceived enemy state. Claims are distorted or fabricated to make China look bad
With the Holodomor, facts are distorted by Nazis as part of the Double Holocaust myth in order to downplay their own atrocities and make the Soviets look as bad or worse. That a famine happened isn’t in debate however, what is debated and distorted is whether the famine was intentionally engineered as a Ukranian genocide
Now take that and apply it to the Holocaust. If you question the facts and veracity of it, the question becomes to what purpose? The only people who could possibly stand to gain from distorting facts here would be the Jewish people, and that line of thinking is blatant antisemitism
Tldr shut the fuck up and read some history. No investigation, no right to speak
??? This is a massive overreaction to someone admitting they dont know enough about something, ive also posted that nazi rhetoric clearly doesnt put any doubt into the events. Im not equating what you think Im equating
All im saying is that i never read into it personally and id argue im not the only one here.
Please disengage with me, its seriously not worth your time.
Edit: or mine just let me read the shit the person above linked, i dont think you get how shitty my primary education was
You keep blaming your education, when really you should be blaming yourself. The person above you wants you to stop blaming others for your ignorance, and actively read about the horseshit you say.
If you’re going to say something, do the bare minimum and atleast try to educate yourself. There are so many world war one and two books which will go into the why, hows, and extent of the wars. No one debates whether or not the holocaust happened. The biggest debate still on going, was just how many people died. Was it 6million people, was it 12 million? So many people were killed we can’t decide on an accurate number. So many bodies literally burned after being incinerated that we can never know. The only people saying it simply didn’t happen, are those who committed those atrocities, and want the chance at being able to commit them again.
Its very difficult to believe you had a “massive lack of education” yet still somehow have the education to know you should care more about it.
There are so many things to learn about and rabbit hole down i dont blame myself for not knowing the finer points of something horrible nazis did and what youre saying im saying is not what im saying. No one is arguing nazis didnt murder a bunch of people.
Again i argue that im not the only one with this issue of just osmosising information yet not really knowing any details
Also Its not like i dont spend most of my free time being productive as it is, the chiding is weird and uncalled for imo as none of you know me irl
Especially you random lemmy liberal
God forbid you admit you dont know something
Liberal /= Left. Buddy, you were asking what made the nazis so bad. Well, the holocaust kinda says everything.
Im reporting 🙄 you cant be this obtuse
Fucking read
Youre free to report, hopefully you go out and read a book yourself instead of spouting this drivel.
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Ngl the responses are pretty mild for coming into a thread and basically stating “ok so what really happened during the holocaust” while acting completely normal about that lol.
Idk why you are so fucking mad or surprised that the responses you got are somewhat incredulous.
I think you need to take a step back and do a self crit buddy. This is not healthy. You were explained patiently why that is a dangerous assertion that has no basis in reality and this JAQing is riding the line of holocaust denial.