To all full-grown hexbears, NO DUNKING IN MY THREAD…ONLY TEACH, criminal scum who violate my Soviet will be banned three days and called a doo doo head…you have been warned

    • newerAccountWhoDis [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      Subsistence farming is very different from owning means of production and exploiting workers. Unless your two cows are a metaphor for owning land and cattle that are worked by peasants while you keep the surplus value literally nothing happens.

      • Hello_Kitty_enjoyer [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        actual subsistence farming is pretty comfy too.

        People have a bad image of subsistence farming because the only people who are subsistence farmers now are people in the 3rd world, where resources are directed towards cities and people in rural areas often lack clean drinking water (which is dirty due to the high population of said land)

        Back in neolithic/bronze age times, the Indus civilization had an average height of 5’8" which meant they were eatin’ good. (That’s tall for the time). It’s also known that the Indus sites lacked a lot of the social stratification found in Western Mideastern sites. The average subsistence farmer today is probably like 5’5" due to malnourishment and dirty water.

        It’s similar to how hunter-gatherers today are super malnourished people in shitty desert climates, even though there were hunter gatherers in lush green fields thousands of years ago

        Subsistence farming with added modern luxuries under communism would be incredibly comfy and not at all oppressive

        • grendahlgrendahlgen [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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          Ehhhh it depends what you actually mean by subsistence farming. Growing a good portion of your own food on a home scale? Sure, it can be simple and fun. Growing all of your calories and micro-/macro-nutrients for the year? Takes very intensive planning and management, and more physical labor than many are used to (even with technology). Of course it can still be a very rewarding lifestyle, but it’s by no means easy or idyllic.

          If you want to see what it takes to grow your own diet for a year, I highly recommend the book How to Grow Your Own Vegetables and the associated exercises from Grow Biointensive. It’s an eye-opener, for sure.

    • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      EDIT: Serious Answer -

      Its Part of the Psyop is that they dont tell you about “Personal Property” , they only give you Private Property a word that includes Multinational Corporations and your Toothhbrush. To the cows will happen what you choose for them …

    • keepcarrot [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      Uh, the people that milk them, slaughter them, cut them up, etc. now own them if they go to market. If you’re doing subsistence farming + a little bit to market that you yourself do, you own them. If it’s decided during wartime that cow production is a strategic necessity that has additional considerations for the purposes of defence, the state now owns them until it is no longer a strategic necessity (this largely applies to weapons production, and certain resource sectors. Cows are unlikely, but wheat and oil are very likely. Basically, you don’t want the entire socialist system to be held hostage by a tiny minority who happen to be providing a very broad necessary good. For instance, the amount of wheat a single wheat farmer provides is absolutely massive, meaning that a consortium of wheat farmers have a chain to yank to extort everyone else. In the case of wheat during non-wartime periods, I’d probably want a rotating cast of wheat farmers, maybe as a vocational “this is where our food comes from” school thing with a small core of permanent wheat farmers for institutional knowledge? Depends on the circumstances)

      (this may also depend on the vegan-ness of your revolution, but I think generally meat should be seen as a luxury or limited good. It’s unlikely that American meat consumption would continue for particularly long regardless of the revolution though)

      (this was a semi-serious meandering answer. Sorry.)

      (tldr: it depends on the interaction of the cows with the rest of society)