I have voted for Jill Stein three times now. If you want me to vote for the Democratic candidate, the solution is simple: get them to adopt Stein’s platform.
I don’t have any particular loyalty to Stein or even to the Green Party in general. Politics isn’t a team sport for me. All I care about is policy.
the solution is simple: get them to adopt Stein’s platform during the Democratic Primaries where you decide which type of candidates run under the Democratic banner.
After that, it’s pretty clear:
Democrats are better on Climate Change (Dems joined Paris Climate Agreement; Trump/Republicans left it)
Democrats are better on Healthcare (Thank Dems for No Preexisting conditions, out of pocket maximums, extended dependents on parental plans; Trump withdrew from WHO)
Democrats are better on diplomacy (forged the JCPOA, did not start war with Iran).
Democrats are better on the subject of Ukrainian sovereignty (and conversely, Russian genocide).
Some Democratic members are the only ones who denounce Israel’s genocide against Palestinians.
Democrats are better on LGBTQ+ Rights
Democrats are better on Women’s Rights (e.g., Pro-Choice).
Being better is all that matters come November general election, given the nature of a binary-choice election. If you want different parties, then one must first change the rules from within and abolish FPTP that yields mathematical convergence to two-party rule.
If you are unfamiliar with the Spoiler Effect, I encourage you to read up on it because what you’re doing is actually enabling fascist Republicans to win, since I assume these are your top issues.
If not, please tell me what your top 3-5 issues and core values are and I’d be happy to discuss.
I have my gripes with Democrats and always push heavily against the milquetoast centrists, AIPAC, etc., but after the primaries — I know which party is primarily responsible for the deaths of Alex Pretti and Renee Good.
Edit: By the way, Trump’s withdrawal of USAID has led to more than half a million deaths globally in just a year’s time and rising, dwarfing even the Palestinian and Ukrainian genocides.
Magician Jill Stein who magically appears right before an election, siphons votes, then magically disappears again after the election?
Yeah, the news media only pays attention to the Green Party during presidential elections. That doesn’t mean that we aren’t doing anything in between elections.
Besides, nobody holds this standard to Democrats. What’s Kamala Harris doing? I mean, besides hawking a book about how she lost. Why didn’t I ever see her at any Black Lives Matter protests? Or any protests? Jill Stein goes to protests all the time.
The same Jill Stein that accumulated a MASSIVE 0.5% of the total votes cast in 2024, proving she never had the slightest chance in hell of winning?
Nobody has a chance of winning if you don’t vote for them.
The real problem is that you see American lives in general and your life in particular as worth more than the lives of the countless people who have died as a direct result of our foreign policy under both parties, and I don’t. You’re fine with genocide as long as you and yours are safe and happy, I’m not.
Israel was going to genocide Palestinians either way, dipshit.
The question is do you want a party with members who vehemently oppose it, including a president who openly stated his disapproval and threatened arms shipment cancellations to try to get Netanyahu to the table, or do you want a party with zero members who oppose it and a president who applauds Netanyahu’s actions and jokes about turning Gaza into a resort once the Palestinians are dead?
Because unless your brain is fully mush you should understand that in our system one of those two sides will be calling the shots.
Sounds like a shithole country. In a normal democracy, you’re allowed more options and you can spoil your ballot if you wanna send a message. It’s your right.
I have voted for Jill Stein three times now. If you want me to vote for the Democratic candidate, the solution is simple: get them to adopt Stein’s platform.
I don’t have any particular loyalty to Stein or even to the Green Party in general. Politics isn’t a team sport for me. All I care about is policy.
After that, it’s pretty clear:
Being better is all that matters come November general election, given the nature of a binary-choice election. If you want different parties, then one must first change the rules from within and abolish FPTP that yields mathematical convergence to two-party rule.
If you are unfamiliar with the Spoiler Effect, I encourage you to read up on it because what you’re doing is actually enabling fascist Republicans to win, since I assume these are your top issues.
If not, please tell me what your top 3-5 issues and core values are and I’d be happy to discuss.
I have my gripes with Democrats and always push heavily against the milquetoast centrists, AIPAC, etc., but after the primaries — I know which party is primarily responsible for the deaths of Alex Pretti and Renee Good.
Edit: By the way, Trump’s withdrawal of USAID has led to more than half a million deaths globally in just a year’s time and rising, dwarfing even the Palestinian and Ukrainian genocides.
I supported Sanders during the 2016 and 2020 primaries. He did not win.
Why didn’t he? Did he lack mass appeal and support amongst the working class?
Do you think The Party regrets their decision to cheat him out of the presidency?
I did too.
I still voted for Hillary, Joe, and Kamala post-Primaries (all significantly better than Trump and Republicans).
(That’s also why Sanders supported and voted for all three, too!)
Sometimes you don’t win.
Fun fact: Wil Smith does not actually say "Welcome to Erf" in Independence Day.
He says “Earth”. He enunciates. People remember it differently because of…Mandela Effect? Racism? Memes? Some combination?
“Best we can do is bomb a bunch of kids in the middle east, fund ICE, and back a genocide”
Jill Stein?
Magician Jill Stein who magically appears right before an election, siphons votes, then magically disappears again after the election?
The same Jill Stein that accumulated a MASSIVE 0.5% of the total votes cast in 2024, proving she never had the slightest chance in hell of winning?
Did you poop on your vote before flushing it?
she earns votes. she doesn’t siphon them.
Yeah, the news media only pays attention to the Green Party during presidential elections. That doesn’t mean that we aren’t doing anything in between elections.
Besides, nobody holds this standard to Democrats. What’s Kamala Harris doing? I mean, besides hawking a book about how she lost. Why didn’t I ever see her at any Black Lives Matter protests? Or any protests? Jill Stein goes to protests all the time.
Nobody has a chance of winning if you don’t vote for them.
Jill Stein who’s famously on Putin’s payroll and exists fully as a spoiler? You’re a republican with extra steps.
there was a senate investigation that found that there was no evidence she took any money from russia. she speaks out against russia and republicans.
Hey look, more baseless accusations against someone who doesn’t want to bomb kids, and who wants to stop the people who support ICE! Imagine that!
You uncritically repeat debunked fox news propaganda. You work for MAGA.
Can you point out where I did that? Becaues I’m pretty confident that you can’t.
I love how you get to blatently lie, with no supporting data, but then say I work for MAGA. Big brain thinking, right here
“v0te Blüē N0 MaTT3r whö” 🦉
All they care about is their team winning and get mad at anyone who questions their party facilitating a fkn genocide.
So you just do not care about trans and other LGBTQ people?
I’m trans and I also hate the Dems for constantly throwing us under the bus, find a new justification for your bullshit
Lol. If you’re trans and you don’t see the value of electing Dems over Republicans then education is your problem.
The real problem is that you see American lives in general and your life in particular as worth more than the lives of the countless people who have died as a direct result of our foreign policy under both parties, and I don’t. You’re fine with genocide as long as you and yours are safe and happy, I’m not.
Maybe you’re just a patronising arsehole.
T in lgbt is for the trans folks.
I care about the fact that trans people are shoved into needless wars for the sake of billionaires and corporations.
I care about all the trans people slaughtered in Gaza. Something you obviously don’t seem to find repulsive.
To mirror your own tone and attitude, “So you don’t care about non-white trans and other LGBT+ people?”
Votes are important in those countries as well. Especially for trans people.
But the votes in the US aren’t about trans people in other countries. They are about trans people in the US.
Which you don’t care about since you keep only bringing up the genocide in Gaza.
Also, I said “and other LGBTQ” which implies trans are part of them.
Even though USA is murdering and bombing them…
Even though they don’t get to vote in the US. They only get to die because of getting bombed by the US.
You need to pick a lane and figure out wtf you’re even trying to say.
So you don’t care about USian bomb murdering the trans people… You don’t care about trans people unless they’re USian.
You’re a confused kid. A bigoted, self centred confused kid who is okay with genocide as long as the victims are in far away lands and not white.
Israel was going to genocide Palestinians either way, dipshit.
The question is do you want a party with members who vehemently oppose it, including a president who openly stated his disapproval and threatened arms shipment cancellations to try to get Netanyahu to the table, or do you want a party with zero members who oppose it and a president who applauds Netanyahu’s actions and jokes about turning Gaza into a resort once the Palestinians are dead?
Because unless your brain is fully mush you should understand that in our system one of those two sides will be calling the shots.
Stopped reading after that. Don’t got time for genocide loving edgelord teenagers.
It’s a binary system whether you like it or not. Democrats or Republicans will dictate your life. Of course vote blue no matter who, you silly twat.
Sounds like a shithole country. In a normal democracy, you’re allowed more options and you can spoil your ballot if you wanna send a message. It’s your right.