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The 350-volt (nominal, 400v max) Model 3 battery packs
So I guess that’s actually almost the same, which makes sense.
EDIT:
Oh boy, I just found out it’s the low voltage system, they are switching!! OK that’s probably basically irrelevant.
VW said it took Tesla 10h to make a car, and it takes them 30h.
I can’t find any information on this, on the surface it looks like Tesla should be 3 times as efficient at making cars as one of the world leading car manufacturers, and I fin that hard to believe without evidence.
They must commit to scale to make it work, but they aren’t.
Good point, and I agree they are not 100% committed on EV yet except a few Chinese makers that started all electric like Tesla, but that’s because ICE cars are still very relevant for many reasons. But they are moving more and more towards EV, and as they do, they will compete harder.
steer by wire with no backup in the Cybertruck which no one has done in production (they all have backups).
Are you aware that Cybertruck isn’t street legal in most countries, because the safety is horrible?
it’s really an engineering marvel underneath.
No it really isn’t, maybe the production side of it is, IDK about that, I know Musk spewed some bullshit about “demanding” Micron precision because the it was horrible. but the Cybertruck is riddled with poor engineering decisions. Claiming the car is bullet proof? For Christ sake, that’s just about the most useless feature a car can have!! It’s too rigid for safety, both for passengers and people outside. It’s too tall and poorly designed to see what’s going on in front of the car, this actually causes accidents in peoples own driveway! Accidents are simply waiting to happen in so many ways with this car, it’s a crime against humanity.
I’ll be surprised if any other legacy manufacture makes a high volume 48v car by 2030. Someone like Porsche might in the meantime?
You are aware that Porsche is VW right?
Those sodium ion batteries are cool, but don’t expect to see those outside lower range
IDK, if batteries are cheap, it doesn’t matter the car is a bit heavier. Obviously it’s not for performance cars. But that’s not really the point, I’m mentioning this and Blade batteries, because it illustrates 2 areas where others are ahead of Tesla, and that will prevent Tesla from ever becoming bigger than VW, Toyota, Hyundai , Stellantis, Ford and GM combined. I doubt they’ll ever become #1. Also the sodium battery may be good for infrastructure, and could undermine Tesla completely in that area.
If Tesla can pull off their 4680 batteries though as described at battery day,
I don’t see why a thicker battery should be anything special, It’s just bigger, that’s it. I’m sure other makers are doing things that are similar, because they are cheaper per Watt and easier to package. The weird thing is more that it was better to make the smaller 2600 batteries they started with. When bigger standard form factors already existed at that time. the 4680 is 6 times bigger than the 2170, AFAIK Tesla claims 6 times power, which is directly in line with the bigger size, but they only claim 5 times the energy, meaning the battery is actually not quite as good. But probably close enough to make the savings worth it.
I’m not sure what’s going on over there that’s a little fishy,
Absolutely, maybe they found out they make more money by selling fewer but more expensive cars? Maybe they have a sort of silent agreement to not ruin when they have something “good” going. And they certainly can use the money for development of EV cars. So my guess is that that’s what they are doing.
This actually shocked me! That EVs were ever made that only used 12V, even our garden tools on Lithium batteries use higher voltages than that! https://www.popularmechanics.com/home/tools/a28522787/battery-powered-chainsaws/ Here you see even Chainsaws averaging about 40v. Because you can make better designs with higher voltages, because of lower resistance, you can make more compact wiring, carrying the same amount of energy. This isn’t new, and it isn’t a “break through”. The typical working power of a Lithium battery is from 3.8 to 4.2V some can go slightly higher and lower, but this is the typical safe area. So stacking 3 gives you a 12 Volt average battery. But if you stack 12 instead, you get 48V. It’s not that hard, although the charging needs to be controlled differently, the principle of 12V and 48V is the same, and everybody can do it. Even garden tools.
https://www.hyundai.news/eu/articles/press-releases/hyundai-48-volt-mild-hybrid-system.html
https://tide.theimi.org.uk/industry-latest/motorpro/how-it-works-vws-48v-mild-hybrid-system And of course Both Hyundai and VW have been using this for several years, already in Hybrid cars. The more surprising thing is why anybody ever used 12v? https://insideevs.com/reviews/660753/2025-volkswagen-id7-first-drive/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3
So I guess that’s actually almost the same, which makes sense.
EDIT: Oh boy, I just found out it’s the low voltage system, they are switching!! OK that’s probably basically irrelevant.
I can’t find any information on this, on the surface it looks like Tesla should be 3 times as efficient at making cars as one of the world leading car manufacturers, and I fin that hard to believe without evidence.
Good point, and I agree they are not 100% committed on EV yet except a few Chinese makers that started all electric like Tesla, but that’s because ICE cars are still very relevant for many reasons. But they are moving more and more towards EV, and as they do, they will compete harder.
Are you aware that Cybertruck isn’t street legal in most countries, because the safety is horrible?
No it really isn’t, maybe the production side of it is, IDK about that, I know Musk spewed some bullshit about “demanding” Micron precision because the it was horrible. but the Cybertruck is riddled with poor engineering decisions. Claiming the car is bullet proof? For Christ sake, that’s just about the most useless feature a car can have!! It’s too rigid for safety, both for passengers and people outside. It’s too tall and poorly designed to see what’s going on in front of the car, this actually causes accidents in peoples own driveway! Accidents are simply waiting to happen in so many ways with this car, it’s a crime against humanity.
You are aware that Porsche is VW right?
I don’t see why a thicker battery should be anything special, It’s just bigger, that’s it. I’m sure other makers are doing things that are similar, because they are cheaper per Watt and easier to package. The weird thing is more that it was better to make the smaller 2600 batteries they started with. When bigger standard form factors already existed at that time. the 4680 is 6 times bigger than the 2170, AFAIK Tesla claims 6 times power, which is directly in line with the bigger size, but they only claim 5 times the energy, meaning the battery is actually not quite as good. But probably close enough to make the savings worth it.
Absolutely, maybe they found out they make more money by selling fewer but more expensive cars? Maybe they have a sort of silent agreement to not ruin when they have something “good” going. And they certainly can use the money for development of EV cars. So my guess is that that’s what they are doing.