Blog post from LXC’s project lead

  • maynarkh@feddit.nl
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    10 months ago

    Red Hat kills X11

    I mean Red Hat does bad things, but is switching to Wayland a bad thing?

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      10 months ago

      Well let’s see

      • Doesn’t work with nvidia, the leading vendor of graphics cards
      • Drops support for a huge set of diverse window managers and applications
      • Reimplements X11 functionality over shitbus, an incomprehensible nightmare
      • sandboxing security designed to enable Windows/Android like apps where users run random proprietary malware
      • Promoted for purely idiotic reasons like like “circular windows”

      I could go on…

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        10 months ago
        • actually Nvidia largely does support wayland now

        • it’s on those applications to support wayland, not the other way around. X certainly wasn’t developed to support upstream.

        • adopted an extensible standard, regardless of how it makes you feel.

        • more secure and resilient to a variety of attacks, including keyloggers. Yes very bad.

        • how about the fact that nearly all X developers founded and are now supporting Wayland, and X hasn’t had meaningful development aside from break/fix patching for over a decade?

        • you probably shouldn’t.

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          10 months ago

          it’s on those applications to support wayland, not the other way around.

          Again, I’m not too knowledgeable about this, but isn’t XWayland a reasonable stopgap for this issue?

        • lemmyvore@feddit.nl
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          10 months ago

          Securing the desktop protocol against keyloggers on Linux is like wearing a helmet when you’re walking down the street… yeah in theory it’s a good thing and would improve your safety, but it’s also wildly impractical and the things it protects you from are extremely unlikely.

          And even if keyloggers were a huge everyday threat, you still have to allow for legit explicit uses of the technology (automation, accessibility etc.) But nah, they just said “we’re not implementing it at all”. What sense does that make?

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            10 months ago

            You’re proving that your hate is founded on word of mouth instead of facts. There was an accepted RFC for secure sharing of desktop resources years ago. It’s solved. Many applications have already ported in.