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- cross-posted to:
- privacy@lemmy.ml
We as a community must stop recommending Signal. For far too long we have blindly followed this app without a second thought. It has created a cult of followers, when there are much better apps out there for us to use.
https://archive.is/Lhe24 archive for the essay
This essay was posted to r/Privacy and subsequently removed and censored for literally No Reason. This is honestly really scary: https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/wj5svi/signal_messenger_revealed_to_have_cia_ties_funded/ https://archive.ph/FZr1d
I am seriously hoping we can have a discussion about this on lemmy. @TheAnonymouseJoker , I know you from r/PrivateLife, and thought you’d be the one to go to about this. Thanks for being open in the past and not bowing to the inner circle of reddit cringelords.
I also am preparing an essay of my own about a complicit honeypot-ish web going on between Signal, Skiff, r/Privacy, r/PrivacyGuides, etc. They have a crazy little cabal that is very creepy. Any materials are welcome. Every time i turn over a stone i find two more. More to come.
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Thank you for posting archive links
Lmao you’re getting downvotes for the most innocuous possible comment.
Signal haters are back. I skimmed it and didn’t see anything remotely convincing or new. I was hoping this lemmy community wouldn’t turn into quite the level of deranged conspiracy posting as the subreddit of the same name, but it looks like that may not be the case.
The evidence is all there. It’s ironic that the negative association of the word “conspiracy” was actually pushed by the CIA and their cohorts, and is used on other words too, to cause your mind to instantly recoil is disassociate yourself from it.
Just try it. Say “I’m a conspiracy theorist” out loud in front of people, and felt the fear instantly take over as you try to mentally remove yourself from it. That’s called brainwashing.
But people like you do their bidding and perpetuate the weaponization of “evil” sounding words.
What a weird response, three paragraphs and absolutely 0 relevant information.
" The evidence is all there."
They aren’t though.
How exactly is Signal anti-FOSS? This might have been a problem before (the article is from 2021) but I checked the Github link in the article and the server was updated 18 hours ago with frequent updates this year alone. I also find the source of funding argument to be pretty flimsy. Though I do agree with the conclusion that federated alternatives are better for privacy. For my personal threat model Signal is fine for me.
No hate though, it’s an interesting read, I’d like to see more discussions like this.
They are extremely begrudging when it comes to providing a fully FOSS apk. They push really hard for their app to be pulled from Google’s servers and refuse to do an F-Droid build or even set up their own instance where they can push whatever they want.
Ok, so what is better with other apps and why shouldn’t one recommend signal over the apps people use (say Whatsapp, telegram)
OP linked a whole essay about the second part of your question.
An alternative would be matrix, which can be used with the elements app on your phone.
Matrix, where it’s ambiguous if you’re sending encrypted or unencrypted messages, disappearing and view once messages aren’t really a thing, and the server logs all metatata. Much better than signal.
To be fair, all of that stuff can be controlled by the server host. Too bad you have to be the server host to be sure.
Governments routinely fund the development of secure and open communication systems because they themselves benefit from having such communication tools which can be trusted. By the logic presented in this “essay”, one shouldn’t be using the internet at all. What you need to check is whether Signal’s technical claims about its encryption is true or not. There is nothing in this article that raises any question on Signal’s encryption. We already know how much data Signal has on its users through their responses to various legal subpoenas over the years (spoiler: its pretty much nothing).
Here are some cool links for you to check out:
https://signal.org/bigbrother/
https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/new-documents-reveal-government-effort-impose-secrecy-encryptionThanks, was about to post the same. I have no emotional attachment to signal, but I haven’t seen a real reason why I shouldn’t be using it anymore. At least from a security point of view. It works very reliably for years now and does most of the things i expect from it.
Yep! Signal is the only decent privacy-oriented messaging app available right now, which can also be used easily the non-techy masses.
false
hey can you propose some alternatives i might look into?
The essay gives some. Also look into Session Messenger.
Not usable for the masses imo, Session has always had an issue with dropped message notifications.
The dodge-and-cope is real lol
Looking from your response to my comment, it certainly looks like it!
