I know it is pointless arguing with a centrist. But how is promoting diverse characters an agenda. Why is it only if the characters isn’t part of the usual “status quo” that it is considered as such.
True, the dominant agenda still remains making white, west European or Anglo men out to be heroes and saviors (the opposite of what they usually are IRL).
There’s definitely a spate of really obnoxious takes (pandering) by Disney and other mainstream, white-owned media to try to score diversity brownie points, that said. I’d hesitate to call it an agenda, so much as it is just liberals trying to pretend their shit don’t stink, and giving lip service to diversity with little substance if any behind what they do as usual.
Thats an agenda. If your goal was to promote only men thats also an agenda. If youre into feet and make foot porn, youre pushing a foot agenda. This isnt about status quo.
Stop. Who are you to redefine “widespread” and “hate” for us? Youre not gonna gloss over that statement and move on, no sir. You’re gonna need to flesh this thought out for us, cuz it sounds like an opinion, and you stated it as fact. It’s the lynchpin of your argument so…
There isnt. Ive talked to white nationals, gamer incels, and the most liberal guys and they all like female leads. If you think hating female leads is normal they youve been misinformed. It is more complex than “these people are evil, they hate woman”.
Ive talked to white nationals, gamer incels, and the most liberal guys and they all like female leads.
Hoo boy. I don’t want to seem like I’m tearing you down for having a different opinion, but you understand i can’t take a random experience youve had, talking to someone ive never met as evidence you are correct, right?
Your argument here is what’s known as an informal fallacy, “anecdotal evidence”.
Those people you talked to have opinions, and what they provided you was their opinion. The fact they agree with you doesn’t make your position stronger.
Please think on this. if your goal is to debate people with quality arguments then you must.
I’m not asking you to take my word as fact or evidence, but instead encourage you to talk to people all across the US and see if the theory matches the real world. I think it is not helpful to say “Gamers hate woman” or “the right hates woman”. It’s a simplification that encourages bias rallying. I don’t think we can solve our problems without the support of those we disagree with, and better understanding those groups helps.
I’ve met a lot of men and woman who are sexist and racist and everything bad under the sun, but there are just as many grey people in the middle as there are in the edges. Thats my own claim, and you shouldnt take my word for it and instead talk to others yourself.
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I know it is pointless arguing with a centrist. But how is promoting diverse characters an agenda. Why is it only if the characters isn’t part of the usual “status quo” that it is considered as such.
True, the dominant agenda still remains making white, west European or Anglo men out to be heroes and saviors (the opposite of what they usually are IRL).
There’s definitely a spate of really obnoxious takes (pandering) by Disney and other mainstream, white-owned media to try to score diversity brownie points, that said. I’d hesitate to call it an agenda, so much as it is just liberals trying to pretend their shit don’t stink, and giving lip service to diversity with little substance if any behind what they do as usual.
Thats an agenda. If your goal was to promote only men thats also an agenda. If youre into feet and make foot porn, youre pushing a foot agenda. This isnt about status quo.
Stop. Who are you to redefine “widespread” and “hate” for us? Youre not gonna gloss over that statement and move on, no sir. You’re gonna need to flesh this thought out for us, cuz it sounds like an opinion, and you stated it as fact. It’s the lynchpin of your argument so…
There isnt. Ive talked to white nationals, gamer incels, and the most liberal guys and they all like female leads. If you think hating female leads is normal they youve been misinformed. It is more complex than “these people are evil, they hate woman”.
Hoo boy. I don’t want to seem like I’m tearing you down for having a different opinion, but you understand i can’t take a random experience youve had, talking to someone ive never met as evidence you are correct, right?
Your argument here is what’s known as an informal fallacy, “anecdotal evidence”.
Those people you talked to have opinions, and what they provided you was their opinion. The fact they agree with you doesn’t make your position stronger.
Please think on this. if your goal is to debate people with quality arguments then you must.
I agree that my experience is amecdotal.
I’m not asking you to take my word as fact or evidence, but instead encourage you to talk to people all across the US and see if the theory matches the real world. I think it is not helpful to say “Gamers hate woman” or “the right hates woman”. It’s a simplification that encourages bias rallying. I don’t think we can solve our problems without the support of those we disagree with, and better understanding those groups helps.
I’ve met a lot of men and woman who are sexist and racist and everything bad under the sun, but there are just as many grey people in the middle as there are in the edges. Thats my own claim, and you shouldnt take my word for it and instead talk to others yourself.
“what? men don’t hate female leads! most guys love (franchises where the female lead is white and conventionally attractive)!”
I just remembered, the online anti woke folk love none white asian leads. Anime is popular in those circles.
So you disagree with others in this thread.