Hey, I was thinking about getting a VPS and hosting my own single user Lemmy instance. I am trying to think of other things to host. I already have some old hardware running unRAID with Plex, the *arrs, Kavita and home assistant. This is pushing my hardware to the limit but I still want to mess around with some self hosted things. Is there anything you would rather host on a rented server as opposed to a server sitting at your home?
I use a VPS as a homelab gateway of sorts from the outside.
Essentially, the VPS runs a Wireguard server that I connect to on my OPNSense Router. The VPS then reverse-proxies all incoming traffic through the tunnel to my homelab. All my DNS entries point to the VPS’s IP. This pretty much gives me a static IP, hides my real IP, and lets me do some light caching on the VPS. Kind of like a DIY cloudflare.
I also run Uptime Kuma on the VPS, since it will continue to work if my local network is down.
Indeed, this is perfect. No need for something like Cloudflare proxying in this case.
Which reverse-proxy do you use?
With Cloudflare Zero Trust there is absolutely no reason for me to host on a VPS anymore. I have old hardware that’s all been revived and bootstrapped with cloudflare. If you have good Internet and decent upload IO why not start there especially if it’s just for yourself.
Just a heads up, things like Jellyfin are against their TOS if you aren’t paying for streaming with them.
Yes, don’t use their free tier if you stream video.
Fuck Cloudflare.
They’re the biggest threat around to a free and open Internet.
Why?
I’m out of the loop I think, what’s wrong with cloudflare?
Does Zero Trust allow you to run things on ports your ISP blocks, a la email/port 25?
I run SimpleLogin on a VPS and if I can save $11/yr moving it home I’d definitely do it.
Because I don’t want to be centralized around a single company and service. Any company can provide a vps endpoint. I can literally be set up again in a manner of minutes on another ip, vps, or vps provider.
Out of all the battles for decentralization, the convenience Zero Trust provides is a trade-off I’m willing to make. I don’t see it being that much of an all-eggs-in-one-basket sort of deal since there’s no configuration done on any of my hosts. I simply install the tunnel with the token and that’s it. If there’s any reason I need to eject from Cloudflare I can simply pull the plug. Zero Trust feels more similar to relying on a nameserver with DNS management.
Services that need a lot of storage, I host at home (Gonic, Jellyfin, Audiobook Shelf etc). Services where I care about availability when I’m away from home, I host on a VPS (Vaultwarden, Synapse, Wordpress, DokuWiki etc).
Public things I don’t want on my home IP address, so non personal services.
I have my monitoring software running on my VPS so that if my server goes down for whatever reason I can still look at what might’ve caused it to go down. I also have Authentik running on it because I need my authentication system running to be able to login to said monitoring software. Lastly I have Mastodon on my VPS because the internet at my parents house doesn’t have the upload bandwidth for it.
I have all of this running on Oracle Cloud Free Tier. I don’t trust oracle in the slightest but I’m a broke college student so I take what I can get.
Since I have a good internet connection now and have a separate room where I can store my machines, I prefer to host everything at home, especially stuff that need a lot of storage, because VPS with big disks demand big moneys.
What I will always host on a VPS is the mail. Setting up a mail server at home is a lost challenge since 99% of the internet providers will not give you a static IP and a reverse DNS, which is mandatory if you don’t want your mail going always to the SPAM folder.
Self hosting email? Madlad!
The only thing I can really think of is email.
Email is the only one I won’t touch, I just want it to be rock solid reliable. Unless someone can point me to a solution with fault tolerance and redundancy that’s easy to setup via Docker, I’m all ears :)
fault tolerance and docker in the same sentence?
Honestly, it’s not worth it, especially because setting up a mail server requires some tricky stuff at DNS level, and your mail will not go anywhere without a valid reverse DNS which is kind of difficult to obtain for a home connection.
I wouldn’t dare self host email
Lemmy, Matrix, Teddit, Gitea, Opengist, RSSBridge, Freshrss are all things I have on my vps’
Because my university’s network is cringe, I’m unfortunately forced to run everything on a VPS.
This comes with a financial cost, and I have to carefully ration my computing power, but it does have some upsides - enough that I honestly prefer it now.
- It keeps my desktop sealed away from the wilds of the open Internet. Obviously the risk isn’t that great, but since every service you run represents a potential security hole… it’s nice to have a “disposable” solution like a VPS.
- I don’t have to worry about getting a static IP or using a service like Tailscale in order to talk to my services when away. All I have to do is point my Cloudflare DNS records at my VPS.
- Better uptime. I used to host my blog on my desktop (!) which meant it would go down whenever I rebooted/lost connection/whatever. My VPS restarts once a month to apply updates and is always-on otherwise.
You can self host and have a Wireguard tunnel between your hypervisor and your VPS.
I would say this: If it’s just you accessing your server and nobody else, self-hosting is fine.
When it comes to giving other people access to your server, no matter how close of friends you may be, I would recommend renting a cheap VPS online. The security benefits are just that much better.
Any web service. I have lemmy and email on rented servers.
Why?
For example it avoids dealing with consumer ISP, has separation from my home network and better uptime.
Right or wrong, the line I draw is “will I need to use this if I’m away from my home network?” If the answer’s “yes,” then I go with a VPS. I’m sure lots of people are angrily pounding their keyboard telling me to use Tailscale, but I have no interest in hacking/tweaking my home network’s infrastructure.
I’m not angrily typing this but I’m curious why not Cloudflare Zero Trust Tunneling? You get built-in authentication and don’t need to worry about dynamic ips. It’s pretty game changing for me as far as self-hosting goes. It also doesn’t require you to change your network infra as long as the host has some sort of connection to the Internet.
This didn’t come to mind when I wrote my comment, but there’s also a “workflow friction” element. Most VPS providers have 1-click installs for the majority of the apps that I want/need to run, and I’m more of a developer than a sys admin. So I don’t really get anything out of figuring out how to do it, it just becomes another headache-inducing barrier to implement the stuff I need.
Fair enough! Curious if you’ve tried out Portainer with Docker templates which feels pretty close to 1-click installs.
I’ve been dicking around with Portrainer (and Yacht) in the last week, and in my short experience many of the templates are not really 1-click ready. Especially things that need persistent storage for settings or other things are often a mess with the preoconfigured volume paths. Also most things are not available as a template…
Think it really depends on who you ask. 1-click can mean different things to other people but for me personally, nothing is truly 1-click. I’ve always had to configure something and I like the flexibility Docker gives while also allowing you to understand how things are wired up without going too deep.
