Calling Israel’s apartheid “modern” to me kind of implies that South Africa’s apartheid, whose transitional period ended in 1994, was somehow “ancient” or “old-fashioned”… Yeah, you can rest assured that apartheid/segregation always has been far too modern.
Also South Africa still has massive problems between white and black people. I watched a documentary a few years ago where I black paralympian travelled round South Africa to see how things had changed and he was stunned that black people live in shanty towns outside major cities still, also the guy was shown a rich area with private security patrols and high walled residences and the security kept coming back to look at him, basically not trusting him there.
Intergenerational poverty can be extremely hard to break out from. It isn’t helped by the fact that wealth in this planet is finite with most of it trickling upwards.
I was thinking about this recently and it won’t happen given the current climate but what Palestinians need is their own Truth and Reconciliation just like South Africans did. Codify that shit.
As a South African I wouldn’t recommend it. We essentially allowed all the murderers, torturers and rapists to get off scott free so that “business as usual” - ie, the looting and pillaging of South Africa’s mineral resources - wouldn’t be disrupted too much.
We literally have gigantic gaps in our history because the Nat regime was allowed to perpetrate one of the largest orgies of evidence destruction in known history while the TRC wasn’t even allowed to subpoena people to testify about anything - and now we still sit with a white population that sees no reason to confront what was done in their name and are pretty much still just as white supremacist as their grandparents were.
It’s only a solution to the liberal types that want to sell feel-good propaganda and little else.
Calling Israel’s apartheid “modern” to me kind of implies that South Africa’s apartheid, whose transitional period ended in 1994, was somehow “ancient” or “old-fashioned”… Yeah, you can rest assured that apartheid/segregation always has been far too modern.
I mean… It ended. Almost 30 years ago. So it’s not happening in the modern day.
“ended”
30 years was so long ago.
Flip phones, PAY PHONES and pagers!
That’s how long ago it was.
I agree as I do not consider my IBM PS/1 25mhz system to be a modern computer.
I own a flip phone now, I pay with my phone and pagers are alive and well at the hospital I work at. Just saying…
Also South Africa still has massive problems between white and black people. I watched a documentary a few years ago where I black paralympian travelled round South Africa to see how things had changed and he was stunned that black people live in shanty towns outside major cities still, also the guy was shown a rich area with private security patrols and high walled residences and the security kept coming back to look at him, basically not trusting him there.
Intergenerational poverty can be extremely hard to break out from. It isn’t helped by the fact that wealth in this planet is finite with most of it trickling upwards.
That’s because you can’t fix the mess caused by capitalism, colonialism, fascism and white supremacism with feel-good liberal fairy tales.
I was thinking about this recently and it won’t happen given the current climate but what Palestinians need is their own Truth and Reconciliation just like South Africans did. Codify that shit.
As a South African I wouldn’t recommend it. We essentially allowed all the murderers, torturers and rapists to get off scott free so that “business as usual” - ie, the looting and pillaging of South Africa’s mineral resources - wouldn’t be disrupted too much.
We literally have gigantic gaps in our history because the Nat regime was allowed to perpetrate one of the largest orgies of evidence destruction in known history while the TRC wasn’t even allowed to subpoena people to testify about anything - and now we still sit with a white population that sees no reason to confront what was done in their name and are pretty much still just as white supremacist as their grandparents were.
It’s only a solution to the liberal types that want to sell feel-good propaganda and little else.
My GF is Zulu and she’s pro T&R so I imagine YMMV.
I can definitely understand your position.
From a layman Canadian where our indigenous people did the same thing it’s only as powerful as the weight and teeth it’s given.