Tesla has filed a lawsuit against the Swedish state via Sweden’s Transport Agency after striking postal workers in the Scandinavian country stopped delivering license plates for new vehicles manufactured by the Texas-based automaker
Again, you aren’t seeing the forest through the trees.
YES it is the workers rights to not deliver mail. I support this!
It is the unions rights to make Teslas life DIFFICULT not impossible. Make it so difficult they want to leave if that’s their goal.
The government, not the union, signed a contract that prevents the license plates from being handled in any other way. That is the problem, not the striking workers.
The government is obligated to get those license plates out and failed in that obligation.
All they need to do is allow them to be picked up in person.
The government, not the union, signed a contract that prevents the license plates from being handled in any other way.
There’s no contract, that’s just how license plates are distributed here. The government isn’t blocking Tesla, nor have they ordered anything that blocks Tesla. This is just the consequences of their actions; they tried to fuck with the way our labour market works, and now workers refuse to provide them with labour. It really is that simple.
What you’re saying is that the government makes some sort of legal exception to procedure specifically for Tesla. Why? Last I checked Tesla wasn’t the king of Sweden or any other organ that gets special legal treatment.
Yeah, again this applies to everyone. It’s not a contract between Tesla and the government, it’s standard procedure; official post goes through the state post carrier.
The government is obligated to issue and have the license plate delivered. They have met the obligation of issuing it, that isn’t in question.
The government then has a contract with PostNord to deliver the plates, and the contract says it must be delivered, and cannot be picked up in person.
Tesla is going to argue that this restriction preventing pick up in person isn’t lawful.
They aren’t asking for special treatment saying ONLY Tesla should be able to pick the plates up in person, they are asking for the same treatment for everyone. That everyone should be able to pick them up in person, at least in a situation like this.
And again - the judges have already agreed there is merit to their argument and allowed Tesla to pick up the plates in person, and have imposed a fine if they are prevented.
Another rationale if I understand this properly (and I might not, so the below might be wrong)
My knowledge of the whole force majeure side of the strikes is pretty bare, but my understanding is the strikes are being treated as force majeure. The government also needs to be able to function if a force majeure event occurs. In this case, the government is unable to meet its obligation to have plates delivered in the event of a force majeure, which doesn’t have to be a strike, it could be other things that impact the postal service to. So it’s possible that this contract needs to be ammended to account for force majeure
A democratically elected government signed an exclusive contract with a private company. This worked just fine for years.
But now a foreign company wants the democratically elected government to make an exception for them, so they can circumvent labour unions and undermine the labour rights enacted by a democratically elected parliament.
Ignoring the legal merits of this particular case, it’s bad PR and very bad politics.
Don’t be too surprised if, over the coming months and years, Tesla and Musk’s troubles with authorities and unions across the EU keep mounting up and that suddenly no one cares to give them the benefit of the doubt or interpret the rules anything but strictly.
The government, not the union, signed a contract that prevents the license plates from being handled in any other way.
So what? Central handling of license plates is common throughout the EU. It’s a very sensitive issue after all.
Tesla not only are being assholes trying to circumvent basic worker rights, they’re also lazy assholes who couldn’t be arsed to see this coming.
Well it just so happens they work in a field where it’s particularly easy for their activity to be shut down. Boo hoo, cry me a river.
Is there any other circumstance where this government decision is bad or is Tesla being inconvenienced the only one? Because I think I can live with that one.
If that happened they would use another carrier. Which may or may not have a sympathetic union.
You’re trying to paint a picture in which the government is directly involved with cockblocking Tesla but it’s not. Union culture was bound to bite them in the ass one way or another. It’s got nothing to do with the fact the government has to control license plate distribution.
Edit: I’ve already read your other comment btw so no need to rehash it. I happen to agree with it, I think there is merit to reviewing the arguments of both Tesla and the government in this situation. But it’s not going to get any easier for Tesla going forward.
The government, not the union, signed a contract that prevents the license plates from being handled in any other way. That is the problem, not the striking workers.
I get what you’re saying but also the government is free to sign an exclusive contract with a company, right?
Like if DHL had agreed to distribute the plates for free, but only if they had the exclusive rights to it, I don’t see a problem with it.
The government is obligated to get those license plates out and failed in that obligation.
Are they? The government has done what they should, as in make sure there are plates. Having the government be responsible for the plates reaching the consumer would be weird IMHO.
But I’m not a lawyer and I’m sure this will be interesting to follow.
The judges already deemed it worthy enough to let the lawsuit continue and allow Tesla to pick the plates up in person (and imposed fines if they are hindered) , so they don’t think its meritless.
I appreciate that you can at least see the difference here even if you still don’t think there’s a problem.
As you say, this will be very interesting to follow
Again, you aren’t seeing the forest through the trees.
YES it is the workers rights to not deliver mail. I support this!
It is the unions rights to make Teslas life DIFFICULT not impossible. Make it so difficult they want to leave if that’s their goal.
The government, not the union, signed a contract that prevents the license plates from being handled in any other way. That is the problem, not the striking workers.
The government is obligated to get those license plates out and failed in that obligation.
All they need to do is allow them to be picked up in person.
There’s no contract, that’s just how license plates are distributed here. The government isn’t blocking Tesla, nor have they ordered anything that blocks Tesla. This is just the consequences of their actions; they tried to fuck with the way our labour market works, and now workers refuse to provide them with labour. It really is that simple.
What you’re saying is that the government makes some sort of legal exception to procedure specifically for Tesla. Why? Last I checked Tesla wasn’t the king of Sweden or any other organ that gets special legal treatment.
They made this bed.
There is a contract that states only this one service can deliver the license plates (edit: and can’t be delivered any other way)
That contract is the problem.
Yeah, again this applies to everyone. It’s not a contract between Tesla and the government, it’s standard procedure; official post goes through the state post carrier.
Why does Tesla deserve special treatment?
The government is obligated to issue and have the license plate delivered. They have met the obligation of issuing it, that isn’t in question.
The government then has a contract with PostNord to deliver the plates, and the contract says it must be delivered, and cannot be picked up in person.
Tesla is going to argue that this restriction preventing pick up in person isn’t lawful.
They aren’t asking for special treatment saying ONLY Tesla should be able to pick the plates up in person, they are asking for the same treatment for everyone. That everyone should be able to pick them up in person, at least in a situation like this.
And again - the judges have already agreed there is merit to their argument and allowed Tesla to pick up the plates in person, and have imposed a fine if they are prevented.
Another rationale if I understand this properly (and I might not, so the below might be wrong)
My knowledge of the whole force majeure side of the strikes is pretty bare, but my understanding is the strikes are being treated as force majeure. The government also needs to be able to function if a force majeure event occurs. In this case, the government is unable to meet its obligation to have plates delivered in the event of a force majeure, which doesn’t have to be a strike, it could be other things that impact the postal service to. So it’s possible that this contract needs to be ammended to account for force majeure
A democratically elected government signed an exclusive contract with a private company. This worked just fine for years.
But now a foreign company wants the democratically elected government to make an exception for them, so they can circumvent labour unions and undermine the labour rights enacted by a democratically elected parliament.
Ignoring the legal merits of this particular case, it’s bad PR and very bad politics.
Don’t be too surprised if, over the coming months and years, Tesla and Musk’s troubles with authorities and unions across the EU keep mounting up and that suddenly no one cares to give them the benefit of the doubt or interpret the rules anything but strictly.
I think “bad PR” is a massive understatement there.
So what? Central handling of license plates is common throughout the EU. It’s a very sensitive issue after all.
Tesla not only are being assholes trying to circumvent basic worker rights, they’re also lazy assholes who couldn’t be arsed to see this coming.
Well it just so happens they work in a field where it’s particularly easy for their activity to be shut down. Boo hoo, cry me a river.
Is there any other circumstance where this government decision is bad or is Tesla being inconvenienced the only one? Because I think I can live with that one.
If something else took out this one postal service, it would halt all auto sales with no other recourse.
A virus wiping out their computer system
A natural disaster.
I’m sure there’s other circumstances where this could be unexpectedly bad on a whole.
If that happened they would use another carrier. Which may or may not have a sympathetic union.
You’re trying to paint a picture in which the government is directly involved with cockblocking Tesla but it’s not. Union culture was bound to bite them in the ass one way or another. It’s got nothing to do with the fact the government has to control license plate distribution.
Edit: I’ve already read your other comment btw so no need to rehash it. I happen to agree with it, I think there is merit to reviewing the arguments of both Tesla and the government in this situation. But it’s not going to get any easier for Tesla going forward.
They can’t use another carrier.
There’s a contract preventing it.
The contract is the problem, not the union.
Edit: as per your edit I agree, even if they do win, things are only going to get harder.
I get what you’re saying but also the government is free to sign an exclusive contract with a company, right? Like if DHL had agreed to distribute the plates for free, but only if they had the exclusive rights to it, I don’t see a problem with it.
Are they? The government has done what they should, as in make sure there are plates. Having the government be responsible for the plates reaching the consumer would be weird IMHO.
But I’m not a lawyer and I’m sure this will be interesting to follow.
Well, that’s what’s going to be challenged.
The judges already deemed it worthy enough to let the lawsuit continue and allow Tesla to pick the plates up in person (and imposed fines if they are hindered) , so they don’t think its meritless.
I appreciate that you can at least see the difference here even if you still don’t think there’s a problem.
As you say, this will be very interesting to follow
This is a when in Rome thing… Don’t apply an outsider’s morals to Sweden.