• Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Uh Palestinians are not fucking indigenous.

    Palestine only became an idea after the Muslim conquest of the levant in the late 600s CE, when the Arabs went on their own genocide across the entire Middle East conquering everything and raping and killing everyone in sight.

    If you want to talk about indigenous, then you’d have to go back to the Israelites around 3200 years ago, or the Philistines before them.

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      I mean it’s the fertile crescent. It’s been likely that it’s been being recolonized for hundreds of thousands of years. Not really any other landroutes out of Africa.

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        Which means that nobody there is indigenous. The actual indigenous peoples have been genocided over millennia.

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          Indigenous people having rights is a rather modern concept in terms of human history.

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          Or that many groups have indigenous claims to the area.

          For example, pacific islanders didnt’ get to many islands till the 900-1100 time period. We’d still call them indigenous peoples of those places.

          More than one thing can be true at the same time.

    • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Umm, hate to break it to you but the actual word Palestinian is derived from the Hebrew word for Philistines. You couldn’t be more wrong in everything that you wrote.

      Both Jews and Arabs from that area share a common ancestry (as proven by DNA testing).

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        And the Jews were there first. Before the Arab Muslims genocided them. Of course they share common DNA, the Muslims raped every woman from birth to the grave there.

        • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          The Jews and the Palestinians are both Semites and share a common ancestry. The Palestinians have also been there for centuries now. They are the defacto indigenous population there at this moment.

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            Indigenous does not just mean “there for a long time”. White people have been in North America for centuries now but nobody is gonna say they’re indigenous.

            And yes, Muslims and Jews both trace their ancestry to the biblical Abraham. The split was when Abraham banished Hagar and Ishmael and they went to the desert in Arabia.

            Also Semitic just means a language group.

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              If people who are genetically predisposed to living in the area aren’t indigenous then the European Jews in Israel with some of the highest rates of skin cancer aren’t either.

              No one is indigenous to anywhere by your logic since we evolved from a species before us.

              Either that or one place in Africa where the first homo sapiens came from are the only indigenous people in the world.

    • Jilanico@lemmy.world
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      “Like in other ‘Arabized’ Arab nations, the Arab identity of Palestinians, largely based on linguistic and cultural affiliation, is independent of the existence of any actual Arabian origins.”

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians

      Please realize there are lots of Palestinian Christians. They identify as Palestinians.

      TL;DR Palestinian lineage doesn’t come from Saudi Arabia.