Outstanding journalism. Say the numbers and say their names. Do not let the water barons hide.
The generational accumulation of massive wealth and its centralization among only a few families is a hallmark of inequality, and it’s no different for a farming empire than for a tech or finance empire.
When there is no more water, drink Alex Abatti’s blood instead.
Agreed. Amazing research. Fuuuuck these people.
Asked this spring if it was fair for Imperial farmers to receive so much river water, California Gov. Gavin Newsom told The Desert Sun,“It is what it is. It’s called senior water rights, and they are well established in law. And they matter.”
The eastern US uses riparian water rights; everyone has the right to use a reasonable amount of water. If there’s not enough water, water usage is limited essentially equally across all the rights-holders.
The western US mostly uses the prior appropriation doctrine - “first in time, first in right”. Basically, as the west was being settled, you could use as much river water for a mine or settlement as you wanted, so long as you didn’t impact the people who were already there. In the case of a shortage, people with the most recent water rights have to reduce their usage so they don’t impact the senior water rights.
Western water rights maybe made sense originally as the first mines were being built, but they have inequality baked into them from the start. They don’t seem like a great system for the conservation challenges of today.
So they get the water for free and get paid for from tax dollars to conserve water?
Maybe if they actually had to pay for it, conserving water would be something they would do on their own just to to save money…
They probably also get paid by the federal government to grow certain crops instead of others. The whole rural US is heavily supported by federal welfare.
What is inherently wrong with the government subsidizing industry?
Nothing in my opinion.
But it sure is frustrating when farming areas claim to hate welfare because it’s socialism while refusing to acknowledge the type of government welfare they rely on to live.
“I got mine, fuck you” is a pretty typical Republican attitude.
You are making big generalizations about the farmers and I don’t think them being hypocritical in their beliefs is a reason to punish them. Subsidizing agriculture goes way back in American history and I would say overall it is a good thing. It gives people access to staple foods that would otherwise be inaccessible to most of the population.
I said “nothing in my opinion” to the question of what’s wrong with subsidies. I’m not sure why you’re suggesting I was attacking them.
I didn’t generalize farmers, I generalized farming areas because there are political voting maps that demonstrate that.
Your response feels more like an agenda you’ve set out to explain, rather than a response to my comment.
You are making big generalizations about the farmers
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You mean human males?
Poor people?
Mostly when the considerations are political instead of economic. Eg. Corn is subsidised to a ridiculous level because Iowa is an early caucus state.
It creates waste (ie. Water)
I feel like it has more to do with taking advantage of the government systems. Which is something companies and rich families are no stranger to doing.
Every industry creates waste. Solar panel production produces waste. Plant based dairy alternatives produce waste. Everything produces waste.
Nothing, but the subsidies go to stuff that should be replaced with sustainable alternatives. For example, reduce dairy subsidies and apply them to eco-friendly dairy alternatives.
People don’t want dairy alternatives, they want dairy.
People don’t really care that much. Make oat milk cheaper and people will start buying it more than cow milk. Make the “real” stuff a luxury, like how everyone loves crab rangoons when there’s no crab in them.
Nothing per se, but many of these farmers get paid not to grow things and have been doing it for so long that they’ve found ways to game the system to collect money for nothing all the while electing Republicans to office and complaining about ‘welfare queens’ eating up all our tax dollars.
When government money dries up, say during an economic depression, so does the industries it supported. I imagine a lot of families get reliant on the welfare checks and if those checks ever dry up they are fucked because their business model is unsustainable on its own. If this were a luxury thing it wouldn’t be too bad of an issue but food production is pretty damn essential to a society.
If this were a luxury thing it wouldn’t be too bad of an issue but food production is pretty damn essential to a society
The reason it is subsidized is BECAUSE food production is essential to society. Isn’t that… a good thing?
Honestly I don’t have the expertise to know what im talking about here so take what I say as an uneducated opinion. In my mind, It is a good thing until it isnt. The subsidizing is a band-aid to the real issue of the farming business as it is being unsustainable. Its good that money goes to farmers so they can do it and make a profit or just break even, but if those checks ever stop showing up (again, most likely during a serious depression) then the situation goes from bad to worse as the farming industry collapses and potential starvation sets in. Ideally subsidizing should be treated as startup capital with the end goal being a farming industry that can support itself without government money. As to how that could be achieved I don’t know.
However its certainly possible that many buisnesses and families get hooked on the ‘free’ money and intentionally don’t make the proper investments to become self-sufficent to continue collecting, thus subsidizing can be incentive to perpetuate the very thing it should be fixing.
Can’t you make the same argument about any sort of welfare? Things are good until they aren’t. Once the money stops flowing through (most likely during a serious depression), those programs will not have the funding to continue. One purpose of paying taxes to the government is for them to use that money to stabilize important industries. I would say food production is a pretty important industry.
Land of the free water
Alright I’m dyslexic but I never saw the reznicks mentioned and they have to be a top family. Iirc they still own the California water Bank.
Yet again irrigating to feed cattle which apparently only 10% of people eat.
It’s 12% of Americans eat half the beef consumed every day. Of course, that 12% is mostly people 50-65.
Strange to imagine. I think I have beef once every two weeks or so? I wonder where that puts me on the scale of beef eaters.
Far from that group, for sure.
Is gen X addicted to steak? Wtf?
Idk, but it really is a crazy stat. Especially when you take into account that the US only exports 11% of domestically produced beef and we import additional beef. 12% of the population appears to be subsisting off pretty much just beef.
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I don’t know how to resolve this kind of issue without it looking like a transfer of wealth from us fellow tax-payers to these big farm families:
- Pay to purchase their water rights, and provide a place in a wetter area of California to resume growing,
- or let them stay in place, pay to reduce their water usage
Or we spend real money and quality of life to illegally deny them water, but all our food prices go up, nevermind the legal costs.
At some point it won’t matter what’s legal or not, we need water to drink.
This is seemingly an expensive problem to resolve, but two key items need to be cared for, no matter the decision: skilled farmers who knows how to produce need to be kept working if they choose, and we need to start thinking in a more than quarterly manner to plan for long term success. Who thought growing food in the desert was a good idea?
C) charge them the for the water they are pulling out of a river they don’t actually own.
They decided to farm in a desert because they could pass the enormous cost of doing so to other people. They aren’t owed shit.
Sure, that’s a given. But longer term… I think we gotta get people out of the desert in terms of farming. Trade forests for farms? I dislike the hell out of that. There’s gotta be something else.
These farms produce alfalfa for animal feed, almost exclusively. We just don’t need the amount of meat that we currently consume, it’s just about the least efficient way to turn water into food. We could just lose these farms entirely and it would just make steak and dairy products a bit more expensive, which they probably should be given the massive environmental impact from producing them.
All valid points in my opinion, I’m just trying to think of what we need to set as goals for California’s farming operations long term. I’m a resident here and I want this place to succeed.
Success could certainly look like cheaper fruits and veggies vs meat and byproducts if the land were guided to being food producing vs feedcrops.
Meanwhile, the government pays farmers where it rains and hay grows well to leave fields barren. It gives farmers welfare payments and increases grain prices.
