Inspired by this post: https://hexbear.net/comment/3552493

Some of us were interested in getting our positions organized in a similar manner. Maybe we can produce some similar slide of our own with enough discussion. I know the original intent of this comm was meant to be sort of a meme repository, but I figure a more serious discussion is within the spirit of the place.

It’s a good opportunity to learn from each other as well.

I think my idea is that we can have some discussions and do a little bit of “debate club” here in this post. If we get on the same page, we can create some graphics or other resources to simplify the arguments and find our way to the “knife edge” of the discussion, cutting through the crap more easily.

  • familiar [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Topic: Propaganda about propaganda

    “Wow it looks like you’re just reciting from the Hexbear c/agitprop playbook! Can you not think for yourself you [CCP/Russia/Bernie/??] shill?”

    “Yeah, I am using a playbook, I encourage you to take a look for yourself” [post image].

    There’s nothing wrong about propaganda, it primarily has a negative connotation in the English language as a result of Red Scare … propaganda… The point of having playbooks is to reduce our mental workload so that we can have actually interesting and useful conversations. I hope that in this thread we can generate playbooks, and I hope even moreso that people will read them. Let’s discuss.

    If there are weak points, or things that someone doesn’t understand, I’m happy to clarify. If there is something that is not sourced, we should probably figure that out and generate a new version. It would actually be super ideal if to just post something like this (but a good version, ofc) and have someone “catch up” to me with no effort on my part. Not super realistic, but I’m not going to act like that isn’t what’s going on.

    You’re just brainwashed

    • We can talk about the history of brainwashing, and how it came out of the PLA re-educating American POWs during the Korean War about the atrocities that they were a party to. (someone pls source, I know it’s on wikipedia, if anything).
    • We can talk about American propaganda, Manufacturing Consent, Inventing Reality, Fox News etc… fuck it, cite the TAFS interview where Chris Cuomo admits that he helped propagandize his viewership during the Invasion of Iraq. Iraq in general is a goldmine, like the “glowing radioactive spheres” or whatever that were ripped off from “The Rock” (is that right?).
    • There’s probably not an eloquent way to introduce Zizek’s concept of “ideology”, but if anyone has any ideas…

    Any other good examples of propaganda/counter-propaganda that could be untilized?