Hamas has spent years stockpiling desperately needed fuel, food and medicine, as well as ammo and weapons, in the miles of tunnels it has carved out under Gaza.
Hamas has spent years stockpiling desperately needed fuel, food and medicine, as well as ammo and weapons, in the miles of tunnels it has carved out under Gaza.
Hamas didn’t exist until 1987. Was Hamas to blame for the violence before then too?
I’m talking about October 2023.
Yes and we’re talking about decades of Israeli terrorism, predating Hamas.
Well no, not really, the thread is about Hamas and you are the first one to bring up Israeli terrorism.
But it’s not like Jewish violence in the region predates Muslim violence. The pogroms have been going since at least the 1920s. Things escalated. Nobody is saying Hamas was the start, but Hamas is the biggest problem right now.
So WHY didn’t you go after them when you had the chance 20 years ago? Why even prop them up to be elected and then ban all elections? Why allow them to grow and be subsidised to even get to this level. Why allow them to build tunnels?
WHY with your almighty army and tech and effing dome don’t you enter the tunnels now? I saw the maps, you know where they are, why? If Ukraine can use drones, keep civilian casualties at minimum level and treat their prisoners of war with dignity, why can’t you?
Because ‘we value human life?’ You only value yourselves. You are the Nazis at this point of time and history will remember this as the most ironic thing ever.
Yes, because Jews value human life, asshole. Israel has been trying a variety of solutions. The occupation of Gaza wasn’t working too well in 2003, Hamas had been starting to fire rockets. So Israel hoped that, by unilaterally withdrawing Gaza, allowing them to hold elections, wishing that democracy might establish a Palestinian partner for peace, and they literally elected Hamas to their government.
They are entering the tunnels, stupid. Even though they’re long and winding and loaded with booby traps, they are going into the tunnels, they are doing everything they can to target Hamas.
Israel does use drones. It does work to keep civilian casualties to a minimum, but Gaza city is densely populated and Hamas refuses to let civilians evacuate.
And I’m not going to engage with anybody who pulls the “Jews are Nazis” trope out. Man, you have no idea what a Nazi is. You think the Nazis suffered an attack on their civilians in the middle of a ceasefire, called the attacker, and politely asked them to evacuate the base they attacked from before striking back? No, you just wanted the world to know how antisemitic you were.
Jewish violence in the region literally predates Muslim violence, Judaism came hundreds of years before Islam.
The biggest problem right now is Israel. step one is for them to stop murdering thousands of children.
Alright, I guess we’re being pedantic now.
Jews got expelled from the region and kept out of it by various European and Arab powers until they started buying land back in the late 1800s. From that point on, Jewish violence was not the start of violence in the region, it was Muslim violence and Muslim unwillingness to coexist with Jews. It ramped up well before 1987, well before 1948.
Israel is not targeting children. Hamas is using them as human shields. The “3000” number is from Hamas—it includes victims of rocket misfires, and also is a straight up lie, just like their count of the victims at Al-Ahli hospital was a lie. Yes, there are still too many children dying, and yes, too many of them still die as a result of Israeli air strikes. This is the main reason Israel wanted them to be evacuated. Every other country evacuates civilians from war zones, but Hamas cannot allow that, or else the statistics might not favor them. They use propaganda and physical force to keep Palestinian children in buildings that are specifically targets for bombs.
Hamas is, by far, the biggest problem in the region.
Sure. But was that a good reason for Hamas to murder civilians? Was it a good reason for Hamas to murder civilian citizens of Canada, US, UK and many other countries? FUCK NO. Hamas needs to be completely eradicated – PERIOD
Okay so let’s eliminate Hamas and Israel.
No. Eradicate Hamas.
No.
Eradicate Israel and Hamas.
Why do you support terrorists?
I don’t support terrorists. That’s why Hamas has to be crushed.
You support Israel, therefore you support terrorists.
Israel is terrorising the innocent people of both Gaza and the South Bank. 3,000 children are now dead at Israeli terrorist hands.
Reflect on yourself and why you support terrorists murdering children.
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So go in the effing tunnels and eliminate them, nobody is holding you back. You’d be doing everyone a favour.
Right now you’ve just killed 7000/8000 civilians and only what, five or so of them were so called Hamas? Israel is really bad at this war thing and I’m starting to think about all of the hard talk and perfect defense system, Mossad etc … were just plain lies. Perception and so on…
You can even tell by the way the troops stand that they have really no idea what real combat is. That’s why you are levelling everything from afar with bombs, you know they have no chance one on one.
It’s simple, stop killing, bombing civilians and start showing us what you’re made of.
Well, there’s your problem. Source
NOTHING makes it okay to perform the terrorist murders Hamas did.
but is the daily plight of Palestinians Okay?
I stand with Palestinian and Israeli civilians and hope they can find leaders who want a solution after Hamas is eradicated.
And Netanayhu is deposed (which many Israelis support).
Agree. Netanyahu holds a huge responsibility for making Hamas terrorists able to do what they have done. Fuck Netanyahu and his far right government.
First sane comment of yours in this thread.
Well, ideally by the electoral process, but absolutely. I personally think the Olmert proposal would have been fantastic, but Abbas knew that Hamas would never let him get away with it.
You and I can’t imagine what life is like in occupied Palestine. Who am I to judge how oppressed people choose to resist. I don’t have that right, having never been in their shoes.
Nelson Mandela-
If you’re curious and want to understand the conflict better, Vice did a deep dive into the conflict.
Nothing justifies it. But there are plenty of reasons that explain it. Abusing someone doesn’t justify them murdering their abuser, but it sure as hell explains it. When I poke a dog I may not feel that it’s legally justified in biting me, but I’m hardly surprised.