• theyoyomaster@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    15
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    1 year ago

    Automatics are extremely expensive, rare and usually illegal to own. They also do not have much tactical use in a scenario like this. Continued fire is primarily for suppression in squad movements. Sainted individual shots will always be more effective for portable, handheld weapons.

    • SeaJ@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Not sure where I claimed automatics were cheap and easy to obtain…

      I am aware how they are generally used. They are also generally used in the military where the objective is not to kill a mass concentration of people. When your target is huge, pointed, individual shots are not going to better since accuracy is not really necessary.

      That being said, it does not seem to be the case here since this was in a bowling alley. The guy was a firearms instructor.

      • Dkarma@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        But they are the guy ur responding to is pretending sear switches arent $20 and he’s pretending u need to buy a fully auto weapon instead of a 600 m&p ar and a $20 eBay part.

      • theyoyomaster@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        All you’re doing is showing that you’ve never actually fired an automatic weapon, because what you are saying is flat out wrong. Even in a bowling alley or somewhere else with densely packed people, automatic fire is going to miss with the majority of rounds fired. Pinpoint accuracy is not required but some sort of accuracy is; in even the best conditions automatic is simply too uncontrollable and too fast. If he was actually a firearms instructor he would absolutely know this as well.

        • SeaJ@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          I have fired full auto several times. A bowling alley is not that densely packed. Some place like a concert would be densely packed like when the shooter in Vegas used bump stocks to essentially fire full auto and would over 400 people and kill 60. A gun with a bump stock has worse accuracy than a fully automatic gun but he still managed to do a hell of a lot of damage in a short period of time.

          • theyoyomaster@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            1 year ago

            Vegas it was never determined by the investigation if he used bump stocks or illegally modified full autos. He also fired more than 1100 rounds into a crowd upwards of 20,000 and killed 60 with less than 500 injuries to include shrapnel. He missed with the majority of his shots in a far denser crowd and from a fixed firing position where the guns were functionally mounted versus being hand held.

      • theyoyomaster@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        1 year ago

        Most guns have some simple way to convert to full auto illegally but if the talk is about preventing atrocities with bans, like the general discussion here, they are already banned.

        For AR-15s it’s not a sear though, you’re thinking of glocks which function completely differently.

          • theyoyomaster@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            Yeah, DIAS aren’t $20 or that easy to make and as such aren’t as common on the black market. They are doable for someone with machining skills but for an AR a lightning link is the normal illegal conversion.

              • theyoyomaster@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                It’s not super complex design but it requires multiple, small and somewhat precise pieces. Someone with enough skill could absolutely do it but there are far easier options than a sear so homemade sears aren’t something that is seen that much among illegally modified ARs.

                  • theyoyomaster@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    There’s more to it than just clicking print. DAIS require multiple pieces across several axles to interface correctly. Lightning links you can make with tin snips and a flat piece of steel.