• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    This isn’t about “hating progressives”, it’s about integrity.

    And by an astounding coincidence, democrats aren’t required to have any while anyone to their left must be perfect in every way.

    Centrists spent more than a decade screaming “purity test!” at anyone who expected better from the party that centrists ran into the fucking ground. So stow the selective purity tests that magically only apply to the wing of the party you don’t like.

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      15 hours ago

      You’re doing it again! Dodging the issue by assigning motives and projecting tribal loyalty tests. My point wasn’t that progressives need to be “perfect”, it’s that if a candidate brands themselves as anti establishment, accepting an endorsement from a group that defends extremists, such as the DSA, is a contradiction worth examining. That’s not a purity test. That’s basic consistency.

      Dragging in the DNC and centrists doesn’t make that contradiction go away, it just shifts the topic, again. If you can’t address the original point without framing everything as a left vs center grudge match, maybe the problem isn’t the critique, but it’s that it landed.

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        14 hours ago

        You’re doing it again! Dodging the issue by assigning motives and projecting tribal loyalty tests. My point wasn’t that progressives need to be “perfect”

        You’re right. Perfect wouldn’t be good enough for you either.

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          14 hours ago

          It’s really simple actually. There’s two intellectually honest paths you could take here:

          1. Mamdani accepting the DSA’s endorsement is a bad move and a red flag that we should criticize and keep an eye on because the DSA is a shitty organization that has done shitty things.

          2. Mamdani accepting the DSA’s endorsement is a good thing because I support the DSA and the shitty things they do

          Aren’t you tired of dancing around like a clown by running in circles with one desperate disingenuous fallacy after another? You’re not making yourself look smart, all you’re doing is demonstrating that you’re aware that DSA is shit and support them despite of that, but you’re too ashamed to admit it so you keep trying to mask your support with whatever this is. You can concede that I made a good point or own your support for the DSA so we can shift the conversation to how shitty they are. If you can’t do this, then you’re not worth another reply.

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            14 hours ago

            You’re not making yourself look smart, all you’re doing is demonstrating that you’re aware that DSA is shit and support them despite of that,

            I’m aware that you think that the DSA is shit.