Yeah, so, I am not saying AI is too wasteful to exist. I am saying it’s too wasteful to be used for worker productivity in the current global capitalist system. Workers in China, Vietnam, India, Pakistan, Bulgaria, Nigeria, and Venezuela are going to use LLMs first and foremost to remain competitive in the race to the bottom for their wages in the global capitalist system, because that’s where we are at and will be for as long as it takes.
This is exactly what I’m talking about. Lots of privileged first worlders have no idea what this means for the globe as well. It’s not going to liberate the third world; instead it will mantle a much heavier burden of productivity upon them as wealth extraction of the meager white-collar is kicked into overdrive as databases for these are built in the periphery or even in poor places at home.
I mean look at where Colossus is being built. While we as workers might be able to use AI reasonably and responsibly; it has no more meaning and impact than using paper/plastic straws in comparison to the ruling class running giant data-centers and energy-intensive slop machines to our “open source!” equivalent.
The effect of weakening labor aristocracy is secondary.
First, I am only meaning to provide my perspective, even if it turns out to be not perfect or 100% accurate to reality, and I am willing to be corrected or to learn from others. I’m not just some first worlder set in their ways.
I think you misunderstood some of the points I made, just as I interpreted freagle’s point about AI wastefulness to be in a broader sense than it was. I don’t believe AI as it exists now in the global capitalist system will liberate the third world. My guess is the ruling class’s use of the AI will probably have a greater impact against the working class’s interests than the impact the working class will have to counter AI through its own use. We have no control over AI’s existence. It’s a reality we have to live with. The only way AI would have an improvement on the working class’s lives across the entire planet would be for a socialist system to become dominant across the world and the global capitalist hegemony to be overthrown.
I’m not denying the ruling class’s use of AI is a much greater detriment to us than any gains we get from the weakening of the labor aristocracy. However, I believe as those people start losing their jobs, communist parties will need to start reaching out to them, educate them, and bring them to our cause so we can develop the numbers and power to overthrow the ruling class, which I believe is the upmost importance. I honestly don’t believe most labor aristocrats, especially in the West, will be radicalized until they become proletarianized and their material conditions greatly worsen.
My guess is the ruling class’s use of the AI will probably have a greater impact against the working class’s interests than the impact the working class will have to counter AI through its own use. We have no control over AI’s existence. It’s a reality we have to live with. The only way AI would have an improvement on the working class’s lives across the entire planet would be for a socialist system to become dominant across the world and the global capitalist hegemony to be overthrown.
That is exactly my point, friend, wasn’t trying to argue that the technology itself is inherently evil. It’s that you can’t expect people to embrace and understand this as a useful tool to the communist cause when it doesn’t even have a clear use-case there besides for coding projects. I understand it’s the reality we live with, it’s why I’m not suggesting “OPEN REVOLT AGAINST AI!” because it’s just the reality we’re in now. My point is that people are going to continue having a disgust for it and a backlash against it because it’s going to do more harm than good even with a handful of clear use-cases.
Trying to sell the “goods” of this technology when it’s doing so much harm already comes off as tasteless.
I’m not denying the ruling class’s use of AI is a much greater detriment to us than any gains we get from the weakening of the labor aristocracy. However, I believe as those people start losing their jobs, communist parties will need to start reaching out to them, educate them, and bring them to our cause so we can develop the numbers and power to overthrow the ruling class, which I believe is the upmost importance. I honestly don’t believe most labor aristocrats, especially in the West, will be radicalized until they become proletarianized and their material conditions greatly worsen.
Yeah, so, I am not saying AI is too wasteful to exist. I am saying it’s too wasteful to be used for worker productivity in the current global capitalist system. Workers in China, Vietnam, India, Pakistan, Bulgaria, Nigeria, and Venezuela are going to use LLMs first and foremost to remain competitive in the race to the bottom for their wages in the global capitalist system, because that’s where we are at and will be for as long as it takes.
This is exactly what I’m talking about. Lots of privileged first worlders have no idea what this means for the globe as well. It’s not going to liberate the third world; instead it will mantle a much heavier burden of productivity upon them as wealth extraction of the meager white-collar is kicked into overdrive as databases for these are built in the periphery or even in poor places at home.
I mean look at where Colossus is being built. While we as workers might be able to use AI reasonably and responsibly; it has no more meaning and impact than using paper/plastic straws in comparison to the ruling class running giant data-centers and energy-intensive slop machines to our “open source!” equivalent.
The effect of weakening labor aristocracy is secondary.
First, I am only meaning to provide my perspective, even if it turns out to be not perfect or 100% accurate to reality, and I am willing to be corrected or to learn from others. I’m not just some first worlder set in their ways.
I think you misunderstood some of the points I made, just as I interpreted freagle’s point about AI wastefulness to be in a broader sense than it was. I don’t believe AI as it exists now in the global capitalist system will liberate the third world. My guess is the ruling class’s use of the AI will probably have a greater impact against the working class’s interests than the impact the working class will have to counter AI through its own use. We have no control over AI’s existence. It’s a reality we have to live with. The only way AI would have an improvement on the working class’s lives across the entire planet would be for a socialist system to become dominant across the world and the global capitalist hegemony to be overthrown.
I’m not denying the ruling class’s use of AI is a much greater detriment to us than any gains we get from the weakening of the labor aristocracy. However, I believe as those people start losing their jobs, communist parties will need to start reaching out to them, educate them, and bring them to our cause so we can develop the numbers and power to overthrow the ruling class, which I believe is the upmost importance. I honestly don’t believe most labor aristocrats, especially in the West, will be radicalized until they become proletarianized and their material conditions greatly worsen.
That is exactly my point, friend, wasn’t trying to argue that the technology itself is inherently evil. It’s that you can’t expect people to embrace and understand this as a useful tool to the communist cause when it doesn’t even have a clear use-case there besides for coding projects. I understand it’s the reality we live with, it’s why I’m not suggesting “OPEN REVOLT AGAINST AI!” because it’s just the reality we’re in now. My point is that people are going to continue having a disgust for it and a backlash against it because it’s going to do more harm than good even with a handful of clear use-cases.
Trying to sell the “goods” of this technology when it’s doing so much harm already comes off as tasteless.
Agreed.