Honestly, this is the argument to make. Almost every human is selfish when it comes to a strangers convenience or theirs. Make the argument that it’ll be more convenient to drive with bikes out of the way, and that sidewalks will be safer (almost everyone walks every once in a while). I’ve convinced people this way, but never with explaining the safety, let alone city livability or environmental reasons.
Which makes the downvote brigade even sadder. If more car brains like me understood that getting slow-ass bikes and mass transit out of car lanes meant cars were easier to drive they wouldn’t oppose them so much.
So many mass transit and bike path projects try to put it in the same place as cars which just makes things worse for everyone.
There’s no reason for bike lanes to be side by side car roads. Bikes don’t need the same level of turn rate or intersections at all
Like my commuter road in oslo takes me about 30 minutes, and is only next to the road for a km or two. Even then it’s not in the road, but on an elevated track next to it. Most of the time it’s an entirely separate route, shared with pedestrians.
Oh yeah when I’m biking it doesn’t matter at all. I’ve just been run into a few times walking on them. It also sick that like every 5th person rides by so close you have to stop in your tracks so they don’t crash into yiu. But to be fair, it happens on sidewalks too.
As a car-brain it would be really nice if I knew bikes weren’t going to be in my lane. Then I know I could go faster.
Honestly, this is the argument to make. Almost every human is selfish when it comes to a strangers convenience or theirs. Make the argument that it’ll be more convenient to drive with bikes out of the way, and that sidewalks will be safer (almost everyone walks every once in a while). I’ve convinced people this way, but never with explaining the safety, let alone city livability or environmental reasons.
Which makes the downvote brigade even sadder. If more car brains like me understood that getting slow-ass bikes and mass transit out of car lanes meant cars were easier to drive they wouldn’t oppose them so much.
So many mass transit and bike path projects try to put it in the same place as cars which just makes things worse for everyone.
Bike lanes might help insure this.
Yes, that would be awesome
I don’t think they provide insurance, but I do think that’s what the previous commenter was saying it’d ensure. You’re most likely in agreement.
You just need to properly segregate them
There’s no reason for bike lanes to be side by side car roads. Bikes don’t need the same level of turn rate or intersections at all
Like my commuter road in oslo takes me about 30 minutes, and is only next to the road for a km or two. Even then it’s not in the road, but on an elevated track next to it. Most of the time it’s an entirely separate route, shared with pedestrians.
Example intersection on my route
Ugh this isn’t entirely related, but as someone who walks a lot, I hate these. If you’re already building infrastructure, why not separate it.
It’s wide roads, the optimal is obviousely dedicated bike routes, but you really can’t make pedestrians not walk on them
The best they can do is like, paint them up with a bike section and a pedestrian section.
Honestly it’s not been an issue so far
This is a standard intersection, at no point do I drive on the road
Oh yeah when I’m biking it doesn’t matter at all. I’ve just been run into a few times walking on them. It also sick that like every 5th person rides by so close you have to stop in your tracks so they don’t crash into yiu. But to be fair, it happens on sidewalks too.
“Paint is not infrastructure” is a catchy tagline
I think that’s their point.