cross-posted from: https://50501.chat/post/206911
First, Trump issued an executive order to militarize domestic law enforcement. Now a new order has come out. Buried in Project Homecoming, the executive order just released by the White House, is the single most dangerous shift in American civil liberties in a generation.
The same man who empowered ICE with military-grade surveillance, armored vehicles, and counterterror tools is now pushing the legal justification to detain people indefinitely.
The administration is laying the legal groundwork to suspend habeas corpus, the constitutional right that protects people from being detained without trial. It’s the right to not be disappeared. It’s the foundation of due process. And they’re getting ready to tear it away.
How? They’re invoking the Suspension Clause of the Constitution, which only allows habeas to be revoked “in cases of rebellion or invasion.” Stephen Miller and the Trump legal machine are now planning to label undocumented immigration as an “invasion,” which would let them bypass courts and jail people without charges, trials, or legal representation. The administration is trying to reclassify undocumented immigration as an invasion to unlock those powers. That’s the strategy.
Let that sink in. They’re preparing to create a class of people who can be detained indefinitely without ever seeing a judge.
Ask yourselves, If anyone can just be disappeared off the streets without charges, without court appearances, without access to a lawyer then do we still have a democracy?
This is just the beginning, it won’t stop at immigrants. So let’s be clear about what this will look like.
Indefinite detention. No due process. No hearings. No legal protections. We’ve seen this playbook before in history—and it always starts with creating a legal exception for a specific group. In this case, it’s undocumented immigrants. But legal exceptions do not stay contained. Once the precedent is set, it expands. Always.
Ask yourself: who defines what an “invasion” is? Who decides who qualifies as a threat? Protesters? Activists? Whistleblowers? Once the right to challenge detention is suspended for one group, the door opens to expand it. That is how authoritarianism consolidates power.
While they call this “restoring order,” here’s what they’re really doing:
They’re tearing $96.7 billion out of the economy. That’s how much undocumented immigrants contributed in taxes in 2022, Specifically:
• $59.4 billion in federal taxes
• $37.3 billion in state and local taxes
• $33.9 billion toward social insurance programs they are banned from accessing
Again, these are people paying into Social Security, Medicare, and public infrastructure they’re not even allowed to use.
The source? The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. Read it yourself. https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
California alone would lose $8.47 billion in annual tax revenue if these mass deportations succeed. Texas would lose $4.87 billion. New York? $3.1 billion. Every state would feel the economic gut punch. And don’t forget: these are programs undocumented workers pay into but cannot use. They’re helping hold up a system that offers them nothing in return.
Now ask yourself: who is going to make up that lost revenue?
You. The poor. The working class. Not the rich, who continue to dodge taxes with impunity.
The federal government has already slashed funding to the states. Wealthy elites are sitting on tax loopholes and lower effective rates than working people. The answer is obvious: the working class will be left to cover the difference. Your rent, your healthcare, your school funding—all of it will take the hit.
What we are watching is economic sabotage wrapped in xenophobic theater. It is designed to scapegoat immigrants, distract from billionaire tax breaks, and destroy civil liberties in the process.
We have reached a dangerous tipping point. A government openly discussing the suspension of habeas corpus is a government no longer pretending to be democratic.
Habeas corpus is the line between freedom and fascism.
If we let this fall, there is no turning back.
This is the moment where people either pay attention or pay the price. Be ready.
Read the order. Learn what’s happening. Sound the alarm. Talk to your communities. And above all, do not get used to THIS.
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u/transcendent167At2025-05-10 10:37:42 AM| Source
Arm yourselves. He is also hiring 20k white supremisist gang members for department of homeland security too.
It would be hilarious if a reporter asked Trump to explain what habeas corpus is.
I can tell you exactly what that looks like. Something something woke something something radical left something else restore America to what it was supposed to be. You might as well ask ChatGPT to explain the Klingon rite of Q’Ronor
An idiot is stripping us of our rights.
Yeah mate, We aren’t laughing…
Well you gotta admit though, that’s kinda hilarious. I mean just think of it - the most high and mighty nation about protecting rights, and then we just pick Mungo from Queens, who’s like “Mungo no like habeas corpus!” And then we just go to the gulag or whatever. And people are running around like “Oh no why did we pick Mungo, what were we thinking.” I mean it’s at least kinda funny.
They just keep giving me even more more reasons to never set foot in their country ever again.
To be fair to Trump, I read the blurb at “whitehouse.gov” and while it does hopelessly attempt to construe an “invasion”, it’s legally untenable. My guess: he’s either insane or bluffing.
They’re tearing $96.7 billion out of the economy. That’s how much undocumented immigrants contributed in taxes in 2022
This seems realistic, but could be an underestimate. Google tells me:
Immigrants make up over 19% of the US workforce as of June 2024 — over 32 million out of a total of 169 million — and participate in the labor force at a higher rate than native-born workers, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).
How many of them would be at risk of deportation - illegal, so to say - is a much harder question because people don’t tell “oh, by the way, I’m illegal” to the authorities. From an economic viewpoint, harassing 20% of the country’s work force with the aim of deporting even 5% of the country’s work force is committing political suicide. It’s taboo of the highest order.
Stephen Miller and the Trump legal machine are now planning to label undocumented immigration as an “invasion,” which would let them bypass courts and jail people without charges, trials, or legal representation.
If they do, courts will soon rule “this is not an invasion”.
If the Trump administration then ignores the courts, both the judicial branch and the population will have a common goal: to bring the executive branch into compliance. Methods will differ, of course.
P.S.
Legal advise from the devil: habeas corpus can’t be suspended because of someone’s assassination. :)
I’m suspending my compliance with the social contract further then. No warrant? No excuses to your bosses if you come to my door, I will be acting in judicious self defense.
Free airline tichets and an exit bonus?
As a completely legal, American-born citizen, what’ll you pay me to help me escape?
That second amendment of yours actually has a purpose and this is it. You have the constitutional right to form militias to fight against tyrants.
Quick everyone! Rally behind the fat guy wearing the tac-vest! He will waddle his way towards our mutual freedom…
Oh crap, here come the stealth bombers, that Boston dynamics robot dog with a shotgun strapped to it’s back, rodan the flying monster, and whatever else a .7 trillion annual defense budget will buy.
The 2nd amendment was written with a feather…
So just roll over? i guess that works… Atleast till something about you ends up on a list.
This stopped having relevance the moment police and military stopped using muskets. I say that as an avid hunter and gun owner. You are correct in principle but unless you are packing military grade ammunition and/or explosives, which are illegal in many states, you aren’t going to do much against an enemy covered in bullet proof vests and armored vehicles.
You haven’t paid much attention to how your all powerful military has been losing badly to brown people in the villages, cities, desert and jungle with little to nothing to fight back for decades now.
Lol I assure you as a resident of NY state, the weaponry being used by the “brown” people you speak of, is absolutely not legal to own or accessible for purchase from anyone who isn’t also selling drugs.
No more than 4 rounds per clip for any semi automatic rifles. No rifles with 3 shot burst or automatic firing options. No explosives other than tannerite are legal to own or available to purchase. Can’t purchase or even hold a pistol without a carry permit which could take several months to a year to get and there is a big IF you even get approved. I could go on a road trip to one of the zero firearm regulation states but even then, I would have to have the firearm sent to my local licensed firearm which follows all of New York’s strict regulations so its not like the old days where I could go to Texas, by an automatic or a pistol, leave the store with the firearms, then drive dirty thru every state between Texas and NY. At any point in the idk 18hr drive I get pulled over and I’m looking at felony firearm charges for possession and transporting accross state lines.
To justify those risks, there would have to be a complete societal collapse where my only options are to kill or be killed.
Have you ever even shot a NY State S.A.F.E. Act compliant AR-15 before? Brace for some dark humor… I wouldn’t be able to shoot my way out of an elementary school with a SAFE Act compliant AR and if I had to, I doubt I would hit anything with how unsafe the compliant rifles are to shoot. They’re awkward as fuck with the weird molded grips they have cuz the safer pistol grips that they normally have look too scary so NY banned them unless you have an AR without a removable magazine. The SAFE act is unsafe as fuck from a firearm safety perspective. If you have a detachable magazine then you are not able to have any removable attachments like a foregrip, muzzle break, flashlight (regular or infrared for night vision scope if you hunt yotes), or foldable barrel tripods. As well as not being able to have any type of adjustable stock or pistol grips. They took the most versatile and safest to use rifles and turned it into the most unbalanced, difficult to hold while aiming rifles you could possibly engineer. If you asked anyonr to design the most unsafe gun to shoot, it would still come out better than the NY State S.A.F.E. Act compliant AR-15.
Know what I have in Canada. A five shot 12 gauge mossberg and a five shot bolt action .303 enfield from WWII that my grandfather used to kill Nazis.
Come across the border with your gestapo and see if I’m waiting for you with what I have available.
Excuses. Stand up for yourself.
Molotove cocktails are below you I suppose. Or ied’s. Fucking rednecks have blown up entire buildings in your country with fertilizer. They also sent letter bombs. Some guy recently shot a healthcare executive on the street with a revolver I believe. Another guy took a few shots at your dictator with a rifle. He missed but he tried. The Vietnamese used sharpened sticks with shit smeared on them. Ukrainians had their kids melting styrofoam. Palestinian kids used rocks and got shot for it. They kept throwing the rocks. There are ways.
Let’s be honest. You just don’t want to stand up or you would.
I literally wrote what the criteria would have to be for me to risk my life but thanks for your useless condescending response.
Wouldn’t want you to stand up for your fellow man simply because they are human and you or someone you love will be next if you don’t. Silly me. You must not be speaking out, brown, poor, differently sexed, a woman or disabled. You will be in their place eventually however.
In other countries, that kind of problems have been traditionally solved by visiting a military base and politely asking for armed assistance. If things really end up badly (which I hope they don’t - a court order should be enough to end Trump’s circus) - then the 0.7 trillion will be fighting on both sides.
The thing about a bulletproof vest is it’s still a vest. Still a lot of places to shoot someone wearing a bulletproof vest.
Uh yeah, nothing like a violent revolution to make things better. I shudder to think about the kind of authoritarian government that would be created out of fellow citizens murdering each other.
We need a peaceful revolution. Anything else is just tantamount to exponentially more human suffering.
Can you think of a better way to get a tyrant out of power? One who changes the laws so they don’t work against him? This is exactly why this amendment exists. A last ditch effort to get back to freedom.
Yes, resistance and protesting. Everyone stop buying and a work strike. There are tons of ways other than running around murdering people. I know you guys are just a bunch of edgelords but you really should educate yourself on how to solve these problems.
We could definitely use an extremist co-opted faction to help with negotiations, but once that devolves into terrorism it becomes a lot harder to get what you want.
Terrorism is what ICE is doing right now.
At the behest of people who would be massively effected by boycotts.
Not going to argue there, but what is your point?
My point is i don’t think people need to run around and murder people, but an armed militia to forcefully remove the cancer might be needed, as allowed by law. Peaceful protests are not making a difference.
This 2nd amendment fantasy of your is just that. Having grown up with militia people I can tell you they would far more likely be assisting ICE instead of fighting them nowadays.
Protesting hasn’t even started yet, have you seen videos from the civil rights movements?
It is kind of sad because you have been defeated before you have even gotten started and the only solution you can come up with is to form an armed gang. Very tribal and basic as fuck (see history)
I will say having a militaristic element could be useful in negotiating, but unfortunately without discipline it could cause far more harm than good.
we’re coming up to death camps as the alternative
Speak softly and carry a big stick.
Bout to find out who REALLY supports the spirit of the 2nd amendment. Noticed that the usual “mah rahts” crowd is silent on this one.
I think you’re under valuing the importance of the “mah” part for these people.
They (Trump voters, and many Americans in general). are the most selfish people on the planet. They will gladly shit on anyone’s rights to make themselves feel successful at their own life goals. I would also like to emphasize feel successful, because they would chop off their foot to own the libs
I know how self centered they are. I like to highlight their hypocrisy although at this point it’s lit up like a neon Vegas sign so maybe there’s no point anymore.
Your typical gun nut is a fascist/racist boot licker and the rest of us tend not to be that loud.
All that my guns are going to do for me is see to it that I die in a hail of gunfire from whatever form of gestapo shows up someday.
Armed protesting works only when there’s twenty or more people. I don’t know hardly anyone who is armed because my local fellow Democrats treat owning guns like shitting your pants on purpose.
The objective is to take out two. Just two. Even one would be ok, but two: that’s a win.
The problem is that the American public never benefited from the insurgency training the US gave to Afghanistan rebels during the Russian occupation. Nobody likely to rebel knows how to make IEDs, or how to booby-trap their houses. And a lot of people don’t realize just how useless handguns are for these situations. The Army doesn’t even issue handguns to infantry, because they’re practically useless.
Long guns are cheaper, more likely to penetrate body armor, and more accurate. Folks, when you’re arming yourself, skip the Glock and get a hunting rifle.
The Army doesn’t even issue handguns to infantry, because they’re practically useless.
The rest of your post is good but this is false. I was an Army infantryman who carried an M-16/M-203 and also a Beretta. In my unit there was one person in each squad with a Beretta. It depends on your unit’s mission.
11B, or … well, I guess they’re grouping 11M in with 11B, now. Or mechanized?
When I was in, the only infantry that got issued Barettas were 11C and officers. I think mechanized might have gotten them too, but they needed all the help they could get.
I was 11H/11M, served in a hmmwv AT unit. I know they didn’t issue handguns to the 11B guys (except officers as you said) because it’s one more thing to carry.
But I had to qual on the M9 every year and I hated it because they were trash.
Ah. Yeah. I should have been more specific. The point I was trying to get across is that handguns are a backup.
A hunting rifle for home defense?
Were we talking about home defense?
Hmmm, I thought so, because of the ICE stuff etc.
But in a protest a rifle could also be too large. On the other hand, people are going to disperse really fast once anyone shoots, so yes. Maybe both?
I wouldn’t use a handgun for home defense either, though. Not preferably, anyway; a short barrel shotgun is best for that.
Handguns in a protest are most likely to injure other protestors. Handguns are fun, don’t get me wrong, and really of you’re the kind of person who feels the need to carry, they’re the only practical option. So, in not saying they’re utterly useless, I’m just saying in almost any situation, they’re the least good option if you have alternatives. If you’re participating in an insurgency, you want a rifle. Home defense, a shotgun is almost always going to be better.
Most people are not John Wick, having shoot-outs in crowded bars; and to its credit, in the Wick films, when he had a choice of weapons, he always went for the AR or shotgun first, and resorted to handgun only when that’s all he had left. Not that John Wick films are, like, some source of truth, but it’s admirably well researched in those areas where cinematic demands allow.
Seriously, my advice for first-time gun owners is: resist the temptation of the more gangsta handgun and get either a shotgun or rifle first. Save the handguns for later purchases. ARs are always a good option: plentiful, relatively cheap ammo, and ARs can be had for relatively little money if you aren’t blinging them out. Or if home defense is your main concern, a side-by-side break 20" shotgun: you want power, shoot slugs. You want to not punch holes through your walls and accidentally kill someone in another room or another building, shoot bird or buck shot. Neither will go through body armor, but neither will any pistol, including a massive hand cannon like a .44. For body armor, you need a rifle, preferably one shooting the highest velocity rounds you can get.
Even in a house, if the dirty criminal is wearing body armor, I will absolutely want my .308. At point blank range, no common body armor will stop that. If you’re really concerned about maneuverability, get a Bullpup. My 18" .308 Bullpup is 27" overall length - hardly longer than the barrel, and supremely maneuverable.
I mean a 1425 fps slug is definitely gonna have an effect on most levels of armor at close range.
They’re just all gonna tell you that only Republicans own guns and they can’t possibly do the same.
Isn’t that literally due process?
Yes.
Essentially.
Ight, looks like we gonna play this the hard way
50501 is a DNC group pretending to be an activist org. They don’t oppose fascism. They just want a Democrat at the helm of it.
If you’re not convinced, read reports of how they’ve been sending cops after pro-Palestine & trans people at their events.
What’s the alternative? Please share your thoughts as I’m ignorant on this matter.
There’s a number of socialist and progressive orgs across the country. I like PSL. But all of them are better than this PR op by the Dems attempting to redirect activist energy back to the party.
For all of the enlightened left who said that Biden wasn’t a good president, who said that Harris shouldn’t be on the ticket. This is what you spoke for when you spoke against them. Your words go both ways. When you speak against your own party, you embolden the enemy. So, do us all a favor from now on and keep your fucking mouth shut.
It’s fine to criticize the party you vote for and participate in, because we’re not in a cult, and we’re not into leader worship.
There’s a reason we don’t typically see democrats flying giant Biden or Harris flags on their lifted F-150s - because we’re not completely fucking nuts.
It’s ok to criticize Harris and still cast a vote for her in the general, against a far, far, far more horrible opposing candidate. No human being is perfect or infallible, and the job of US president shouldn’t be taken lightly at all. Someone running for that job should be able to handle a little bit of criticism.
I’m not sure Biden or Harris were our best of all possible choices. I said so. And I still encouraged people to vote for them in the general election.
The problem is that all of that was done on the eve of the election. If there is a problem with the Democratic party, fix it in the other 3.5 years. Railing against your only hope when shit like this is on the line is the worst way to go about change. It brought no positive outcome. Where are all of those naysayers now? Are they working with their local government to fix things? More likely they are bitching about something new and no making any effort to affect change.
You can only effect the Democratic party during election years.
